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post #31 of 51
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Originally Posted by zoidbergslo View Post
Its not that easy to switch from us to uk layout for manufacturer if they didn't think of that in the start. They would need to design new pcb and wiring would be a bit different and so on. On the other hand Uk layout = ISO layout that most euro countries use with few different characters here and there. (new market new possibilities )

Oh and about those keycaps its not just put different plastic in machine and press them out. Transparent plastic has different cooling curves and stuff and all these things must be calculated or simulated before they start doing it. Other thing is you can press out one set and you are done.
No, you are wrong.

The difficult part is the PCB and the key physical layout, but this is already done, given that the DE and FR layout are already in production.

Is just matter of putting the right file in the laser writer machine, and even that file is already prepared, the UK layout is available on the not backlit BW.

It's just matter of laziness and/or of (wrong) commercial policies
post #32 of 51
Basically, a keyboard does not exist with your requirements. You're going to need to figure out which ones to drop in order to buy a real keyboard.

Personally, I'd go for the Deck. The layout isn't THAT different, especially since it sounds like you're in the UK, so wouldn't need to put umlauts over your A's or anything. Literally the only thing you would have to do is get used to hitting \\ and enter slightly differently.

I got used to the JIS layout in a day after using ISO for years.
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post #33 of 51
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it sounds like you're in the UK, so wouldn't need to put umlauts over your A's or anything.
I use the UK layout just because is easy to use it to put accents and umlauts above everything, the way in use in the UK extended layout to put (accents and Co) above the letters is waaay better than the US international. It's not just the RAW layout, but also is how the OS manages it.

The UK layout is just a good mix between the US layouts and the national ones, is good to program and to use the shells but is also handy to write in Italian, German, French and so on. And comes also with the bonus of having 105 keys and the correctly shaped enter.

The only thing that is a bit puzzling is the " ¬ " symbol I really don't know what is its scope
post #34 of 51
There are variations on US Int which are similar in operation to the UK layout (no dead keys, just Alt-Gr) which is what I use.

That symbol (can't type on current keyboard which is set to standard US) is the Logical Negation operation. IIRC, the US Int layout variant I use has that symbol bound to Alt-Gr + \\|

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And comes also with the bonus of having 105 keys and the correctly shaped enter.

Edited by ch_123 - 4/1/11 at 6:59pm
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post #35 of 51
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I use the UK layout just because is easy to use it to put accents and umlauts above everything, the way in use in the UK extended layout to put (accents and Co) above the letters is waaay better than the US international. It's not just the RAW layout, but also is how the OS manages it.

The UK layout is just a good mix between the US layouts and the national ones, is good to program and to use the shells but is also handy to write in Italian, German, French and so on. And comes also with the bonus of having 105 keys and the correctly shaped enter.

The only thing that is a bit puzzling is the " ¬ " symbol I really don't know what is its scope
Sure, but it sounds like the guy who started this thread is British, and wouldn't really need any of that .
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post #36 of 51
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There are variations on US Int which are similar in operation to the UK layout (no dead keys, just Alt-Gr) which is what I use.
I see those alternate US layouts in Linux but I don't know how they are called in Windows, tough I really not spent too much time in the search.

BTW the UK layout has one dead key "`" an the rest is accessible via alt graph combinations.

Surely this is a minor problem because I can edit the US logical layout with the MS KB editor, and is probably what I'll do when the guys at the Italian toll will decide that a keyboard is just a keyboard and not a drug container...

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That symbol (can't type on current keyboard which is set to standard US) is the Logical Negation operation. IIRC, the US Int layout variant I use has that symbol bound to Alt-Gr + \\|
Yes I know what the symbol mean, but i can't understand why that symbol is available as first choice on the UK keyboard, maybe British people are used to negate more the than US ones.

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Oh you!
I'm aware that someone who call the football "soccer" can't agree with me on the shape of the enter button.
post #37 of 51
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Sure, but it sounds like the guy who started this thread is British, and wouldn't really need any of that .
Likely.

But is not so uncommon the need to write something in the language of a nearby country here in Europe.
post #38 of 51
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I see those alternate US layouts in Linux but I don't know how they are called in Windows, tough I really not spent too much time in the search.

BTW the UK layout has one dead key "`" an the rest is accessible via alt graph combinations.

Surely this is a minor problem because I can edit the US logical layout with the MS KB editor, and is probably what I'll do when the guys at the Italian toll will decide that a keyboard is just a keyboard and not a drug container...
The one I use is called something along the lines of US International (Alt-Gr Dead Keys). Someone made a decent enough approximation of it for Windows, but I never seem to have it to hand, and some of it is a bit wonky (^ is still a dead key for example). I'd roll my own, but I almost never use Windows any more.

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Yes I know what the symbol mean, but i can't understand why that symbol is available as first choice on the UK keyboard, maybe British people are used to negate more the than US ones.
It was a standard key on IBM's terminal keyboards for some reason or another. I'm genuinely convinced that when they were making the modern UK layout, they desperately needed some extra characters to fill the extra key, so they picked that and the broken pipe.

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I'm aware that someone who call the football "soccer" can't agree with me on the shape of the enter button.
I grew up on the UK layout, and switched to the US layout because it was easier to find good keyboards in the US layout. I actually prefer the US enter because it requires less hand movement to access, but I can switch between them very quickly.
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post #39 of 51
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Originally Posted by ch_123 View Post

It was a standard key on IBM's terminal keyboards for some reason or another. I'm genuinely convinced that when they were making the modern UK layout, they desperately needed some extra characters to fill the extra key, so they picked that and the broken pipe.
Speaking about the broken pipe have you noticed that this is inverted whit the pipe on the Dell and IBM/Lenovo UK keyboards ?

I noticed that when i got the UK keyboard for my Thinkpad, then I searched a bit about this strangeness, but with no luck.
post #40 of 51
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Thanks for all the responses so far everyone.
Still unsure as to if i'm willing to accept us layout. I was kinda hoping that I could get what I required and not have to buy another keyboard for 10 years or more. So far my emails to have one custom made have not been fruitful but i'm not going to give up....
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