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Originally Posted by Phaedrus2129 View Post
Companies are not immovable. Do I expect Nvidia to respond to this? No. Do I expect them to use that pre-written response? *Definitely* not. But you can crowbar a company into doing something. Done it before. This is a cheap first step. I'm considering if it's worth the effort to go further.
Again, that is such 'bleeding-heart' expression.

You're NEVER going to get anywhere, not by yourself, not with 10,000 people protesting online.

To get ANYWHERE, you'll have to get a petition with 100,000 signatures, which you'll never get because not that many people have or ever will have a GTX 590, not to mention that most of them don't care about overclocking..

But even if that was feasible, you're already shot yourself in the foot with this, as I've been saying, childish, condescending letter.

You're thinking about this all wrong.
You can get to a company's PR department with strong words and false salutations.. but if you want to actually reach someone with some decision-making powers..

You need to do a 180-degree emotional ollie and be as nice as can be.

Though, like I said, don't both because it's futile.

On a MORE REALISTIC note - anyone here know the son of the CEO of nVidia?
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How was that bleeding heart? Do you know what that means.


Trust me, man. The way to make a company change its mind is not through direct appeals and petitions, and the fact that you're thinking that way shows that you have no idea how this type of thing works.
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I both understand your point and see why you're upset, but permit me to respectfully disagree.
No, I think you're not understanding the picture here.

There are always risks when overclocking. On CPUs, GPUs, RAM, etc.

This is not about that.

It's reasonably linear to think that it's definitively implied that nVidia 'enthusiast' hardware is capable of a degree of 'safe' overclocking.

That is to say, you can overclock as long as your temps are fine, or you don't instantly toast the card with 2.2v.
As in, the same exact boundaries that other components have.

But the GTX 590 and the GTX 570 have a sort of self-destruct mechanism to them that nothing else ever had.
Instead of not allowing the overclock, or having high temps, the GTX 590 will just.. die.

I've run 1.8v through my CPUs before and they just ran really hot.

But then never died, and components SHOULDN'T die just because of over-volting.

That IS something that a company has to make sure NEVER happens.

And in this case, nVidia took out a component that was a fail-safe for over-volting.

You'd be right if the lack of VRM meant that the GTX 590 simply wouldn't clock high or wouldn't sustain high voltages.
But the fact that high-voltages can kill it over a prolonged amount of time is a serious design flaw and something nVidia should be in all aspects accounted for.
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How was that bleeding heart? Do you know what that means.


Trust me, man. The way to make a company change its mind is not through direct appeals and petitions, and the fact that you're thinking that way shows that you have no idea how this type of thing works.
And neither do you.

I'll see you in a year when nothing has changed.
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Phaedrus, I think you're forgetting another very important problem with the GTX590. It's two 580's on one PCB. Even if they DO fix the VRM issues, then it'll start melting PSU cables, and possibly motherboards, due to drawing too much power. They need to put in a third or fourth PCIe connector as well. You just can't pull that kind of power through 2 PSU plugs and the PCIe lane.
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lol @ anyone who thinks nvidia is going to publicly admit any sort of liability at the request of some forum stunt.

come on kids. think about what you would want nvidia to do if you owned $10mil USD of nvidia stock. THOSE are the people nvidia is in business for, not you, the end consumer.

now with that said, their only obligation to you, the end consumer, is for the product to work as guaranteed according to the FACTORY SPECIFICATIONS. they clocked these 2 chips at 600Mhz because of cooling limitations. Are you really surprised that this 2x512 core, 3Gb 4ghz gddr5 card is not holding up well when you crank the clocks and voltage?

it's simple: if you want to overclock, get 2 cards instead of a dual GPU card so you can power and cool them individually. more cooling alone won't help the 590 because you can't feed it enough clean power.
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Phaedrus, I think you're forgetting another very important problem with the GTX590. It's two 580's on one PCB. Even if they DO fix the VRM issues, then it'll start melting PSU cables, and possibly motherboards, due to drawing too much power. They need to put in a third or fourth PCIe connector as well. You just can't pull that kind of power through 2 PSU plugs and the PCIe lane.
I dunno, I'd think there's a pretty significant safety margin built into the 150W limit per 8-pin PCI-Ex cable. I sorta doubt that bumping voltage from, say, 1.025V to 1.1V, is going to increase the current draw so significantly that cables are going to start melting.
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It's a shame, really. Weren't these cards made from specially selected chips? Then they crap out on VRMS. I feel bad for those who waited so anxiously.

My condolences if you've destroyed your card.

Side note (470GTX FTFW.)
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Phaedrus, I think you're forgetting another very important problem with the GTX590. It's two 580's on one PCB. Even if they DO fix the VRM issues, then it'll start melting PSU cables, and possibly motherboards, due to drawing too much power. They need to put in a third or fourth PCIe connector as well. You just can't pull that kind of power through 2 PSU plugs and the PCIe lane.
It would be nice if we got a third 8-pin, for those 1000Mhz overclocks..

But the HD 6990 is doing just fine.
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