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Alright, so what should I get for the vertical fans in my case? I understand they should be ball bearings otherwise they will start rumbling or crap out after a bit? Originally I was going to do CM R4 140s or Yate Medium 140s but I guess I shouldn't since they are both sleeved?I'm still keeping GTs on my H50 though.

What about lubing them up? I remember reading that lubing them a bit will help? I will be using them so they are blowing up, not in, so there wouldn't be stress on the motor if that is the reason why sleeved bearings are bad for vertical mounts? But I may need to flip them, who knows....

So what should I be getting? Keep in mind they need to be 140mm
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I just read this and really don't see what the big deal is:

http://www.comairrotron.com/cooling_fan_noise.shtml

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While I prefer the low or medium speed Yates the R4 would be a good case fan. As far as I'm concerned the sleeve bearing debate is overblown to an extent. While sleeve bearings will normally dry out and start making noise quicker than a ball bearing fan will, I don't think it's nearly as bad as some people make it out to be. Lube them up prior to mounting them then take them out, clean them up, and re-lube them once a year or so (maybe more often in really hot or dusy environments) and you should be fine with a GOOD QUALITY sleeve fan. My preferred lube for fans is Rem-Oil in the bottle (no sprays of any type should be used), sewing machine lube, fishing reel lube, or 3 in 1 oil that doesn't have a penetrating agent added to it. Sprays are too thin and shouldn't be used on new fans, although I have used them on old ones to clean out the bearing surface and shaft. I normally use Rem-Oil or Tri-Flow spray for that. WD-40 should never be used under any circumstances, nor should you use any sort of penetrating oil.
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While I prefer the low or medium speed Yates the R4 would be a good case fan. As far as I'm concerned the sleeve bearing debate is overblown to an extent. While sleeve bearings will normally dry out and start making noise quicker than a ball bearing fan will, I don't think it's nearly as bad as some people make it out to be. Lube them up prior to mounting them then take them out, clean them up, and re-lube them once a year or so (maybe more often in really hot or dusy environments) and you should be fine with a GOOD QUALITY sleeve fan. My preferred lube for fans is Rem-Oil in the bottle (no sprays of any type should be used), sewing machine lube, fishing reel lube, or 3 in 1 oil that doesn't have a penetrating agent added to it. Sprays are too thin and shouldn't be used on new fans, although I have used them on old ones to clean out the bearing surface and shaft. I normally use Rem-Oil or Tri-Flow spray for that. WD-40 should never be used under any circumstances, nor should you use any sort of penetrating oil.
Is once every 6 months too often? How long should the Yates or R4s last me? Also in the event that the sticker losses its stick, what do I replace it with? Would aluminum foil tape be fine? My understanding is that the sticker is only a reflective vinyl.
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I just read this and really don't see what the big deal is:

http://www.comairrotron.com/cooling_fan_noise.shtml

Opinions?
Another good read by NMB - Ball Bearing Vs. Sleeve Fans

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Is once every 6 months too often? How long should the Yates or R4s last me? Also in the event that the sticker losses its stick, what do I replace it with? Would aluminum foil tape be fine? My understanding is that the sticker is only a reflective vinyl.

I will never buy another sleeve bearing fan again. My $15 NB-XL2 fans (rifle/long-life sleeve bearing) ran quietly for about a year. I lubed them but they still make more noise than they did new. My previous YL's lasted even less before crapping out.. FDB or ball-bearing fans for me now.

I use this, cut and trim as needed w/razor blade or X-Acto #1 Knife.

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I will never buy another sleeve bearing fan again. My $15 NB-XL2 fans (rifle/long-life sleeve bearing) ran quietly for about a year. I lubed them but they still make more noise than they did new. My previous YL's lasted even less before crapping out.. FDB or ball-bearing fans for me now.
Did you lube them new? I just don't want to make a bad decision, but I know I can get another R4 off a friend, meaning I will only have to buy one 140 for my GPU or just use my 120 which is what I think I will do. Then a GT for my H50 or use that 120mm and I'll be good to go.

Have you actually used the packing tape method? What oil did you use?
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Is once every 6 months too often? How long should the Yates or R4s last me? Also in the event that the sticker losses its stick, what do I replace it with? Would aluminum foil tape be fine? My understanding is that the sticker is only a reflective vinyl.
No, that wouldn't be too much. The problem is when you wait too long to re-lube them. The sticker should be able to be removed and re-attached numerous times as long as you use some Isopropyl Alcohol (not rubbing alcohol) to clean the area first. If it does stop sticking as well just use a glue stick to attach it.
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No, that wouldn't be too much. The problem is when you wait too long to re-lube them. The sticker should be able to be removed and re-attached numerous times as long as you use some Isopropyl Alcohol (not rubbing alcohol) to clean the area first. If it does stop sticking as well just use a glue stick to attach it.
So peel back the sticker when its new and every 6 months - 1 year to add 1 drop of oil, then clean the fan surface with Isopropyl Alcohol and re apply the sticker. Worse comes to worse glue it or tape it using packing tape or aluminum foil tape.
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With the fan out of the case, peel OFF the sticker, remove the rubber plug that seals the reservoir, put several drops of lubricant into the reservoir, spin the fan blade a few times by hand to allow the lube to seep down the shaft, add another drop or two as needed, replace the rubber plug, wipe up any excess oil with a clean paper towel and Isopropyl Alcohol, then replace the sticker.

And yes, if the sticker doesn't want to stay use a glue stick or use tape.

To clean the blades use some window cleaner and a cloth. Works better than Iso Alcohol for that.
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Q9550 E0 DFI LanParty LT P35-T2R 2 x HD4670QT512P CF Patriot PVS24G8500ELKN 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Stock pfsense Acer H233H Antec EarthWatts 430 
CaseAudio
custom onboard 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 B3 Lapped @ 3.4 GA-EP45-UD3R EVGA 9600GSO 384m 96SP 4G (2x2) Patriot Viper PC2-8500 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
80g Maxtor, 320WDC. 320Seagate NEC ND-3550 & LiteOn CM Hyper 212+ w/PP Blademasters XP Pro SP3 
MonitorPowerCase
Acer H233H Rosewill RG630-S12 NZXT BetaEVO 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E6420 GA-P35-DS3L GeForce 7300LE 2G PNY PC2-6400 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
80Gig WDC SATA NEC ND3540A Win 7 Ultimate 64bit/XP Pro Acer H233H 
PowerCase
Antec Earthwatts 430 none 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q9550 E0 DFI LanParty LT P35-T2R 2 x HD4670QT512P CF Patriot PVS24G8500ELKN 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Stock pfsense Acer H233H Antec EarthWatts 430 
CaseAudio
custom onboard 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 B3 Lapped @ 3.4 GA-EP45-UD3R EVGA 9600GSO 384m 96SP 4G (2x2) Patriot Viper PC2-8500 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
80g Maxtor, 320WDC. 320Seagate NEC ND-3550 & LiteOn CM Hyper 212+ w/PP Blademasters XP Pro SP3 
MonitorPowerCase
Acer H233H Rosewill RG630-S12 NZXT BetaEVO 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E6420 GA-P35-DS3L GeForce 7300LE 2G PNY PC2-6400 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
80Gig WDC SATA NEC ND3540A Win 7 Ultimate 64bit/XP Pro Acer H233H 
PowerCase
Antec Earthwatts 430 none 
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