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PriceEddie ..... Im not even going to comment you fail so hard.

http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/201...-the-problems/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12881015

I suppose this is just a 'conspiracy' as you put it......
To summarise your articles I think the term 'NO S**T' is the one best used. Read mine and you will see why these leaks are in no way a threat to human life.

Eddie.
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Mmmm, of the reading I have done information on the damage done by seawater is unclear. Some talk of possible damage, other talk of none. Do you have any information on this I could read? Cheers.

Eddie.
I can't seem to find a scientific source on this one. I'm sure there are papers on it, I just don't know the correct keywords.

Anyways, rust is caused by oxygen, and is accelerated by heat and salts. By pumping oxygen rich seawater into a reactor it rusts at up to 500x the normal rate, rapidly destroying the internal reactor.

As well, as the saltwater boils away it leaves behind the salt, which begins to accumulate on the side of the pipes, reducing their capacity.
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in other news.

Cars don't work after they crash....
Woman suffered in a horrifying crash!
She was alive before she died.
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post #54 of 92
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I can't seem to find a scientific source on this one. I'm sure there are papers on it, I just don't know the correct keywords.

Anyways, rust is caused by oxygen, and is accelerated by heat and salts. By pumping oxygen rich seawater into a reactor it rusts at up to 500x the normal rate, rapidly destroying the internal reactor.

As well, as the saltwater boils away it leaves behind the salt, which begins to accumulate on the side of the pipes, reducing their capacity.
I see, in that case I take it back. I would still like to find some authoratitve sources on it though. There are however some other arguement on this thread that need clearing up!

Thanks again,

Eddie.
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post #55 of 92
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Only too happy to. Read this thoroughly before you post again, just to make sure that your argument is actually informed.
I wasn't even making an argument mate, I just questioned the validity of the suggestion that if they'd known the reactors had to be scrapped beforehand, they wouldn't bothered trying to cool it down and just let it melt down.


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Proof 1
Proof 2
Proof 3

I am unable, at present to find the actual piece that he wrote where he went in to detail about the various fail safes. I will try to find this information, but if anyone else is able to provide a link please do.
That would be nice. Even after reading all 3 articles, however informative, I still didn't find anything suggesting that they could be safely let melt down if they knew it was going to be put out of commission.
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And thusly the Japanese Efforts to cover up the Severity of the crisis, continues to fall through. Experts Declared it was worse than Chernobyl. The CEO of the nuclear power company Cried and said he couldn't be a part of the cover up anymore, and that the radiation levels were serious, and it would kill people.

Radiation levels are HOW many TIMES (x) over safe levels now??
And they're finding plutonium in the soil / water...
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I wasn't even making an argument mate, I just questioned the validity of the suggestion that if they'd known the reactors had to be scrapped beforehand, they wouldn't bothered trying to cool it down and just let it melt down.

That would be nice. Even after reading all 3 articles, however informative, I still didn't find anything suggesting that they could be safely let melt down if they knew it was going to be put out of commission.
The Fukushima Dachii NPP follow extremely similar if not identical plans to American BWR Plants. They all have core catchers.

At least you read the articles. I hope now you confident that the levels of radiation are safe and that plutonium found is nothing to worry about? I don't mean to be so confrontational, however their is a lot of nonsense floating around this forum on this topic.

Some people need to stop just reading the news and tabloids, and actually take the time to look in to this properly, at least critically analysing the sources of information they are reading.

When I first saw that Fukushima compared to Chernobyl I thought it might be time to look into this, and what I found is, thankfully, that it is not. I don't understand how (or why they would want to) people can so fervently believe in the worst case scenario when all evidence points to the opposite.

I have also recently read that at least some of the reactors were to be decommissioned this year, before the disaster hit.

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And thusly the Japanese Efforts to cover up the Severity of the crisis, continues to fall through. Experts Declared it was worse than Chernobyl. The CEO of the nuclear power company Cried and said he couldn't be a part of the cover up anymore, and that the radiation levels were serious, and it would kill people.

Radiation levels are HOW many TIMES (x) over safe levels now??
And they're finding plutonium in the soil / water...
Where do you get this information?

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What we need is some LN2 and HE cooling in Japan. Okay extreme overclockers put on your big boys pants. There's reactors that need cooling.
I remeber watching an episode of ultimate factories on nuclear reactors. It said something about the cores are cooled in water that's under -250ish degrees. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
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I just did some research into the effects of radiation for anyone interested:


There have been many studies into low doses of radiation pointing that the Linear No-threshold model of radiation poisoning is flawed. Many of these studies show that low levels of ionizing radiation actually decrease your risk for cancer! (By activating the gene repairing proteins in your cells)

French Study - Dose-effect relationships and estimation of the carcinogenic effects of low doses of ionizing radiation.
http://www.radscihealth.org/rsh/Pape...al07_04_05.pdf

UNSCEAR 2000 REPORT Vol. II: Sources and Effects of Ionizing Radiation
http://www.unscear.org/docs/reports/annexg.pdf

Case-control study of lung cancer risk from residential radon exposure in Worcester County, Massachusetts
http://www.radonleaders.org/sites/de...n_Exposure.pdf


Additionally, there have been many investigations into situations where people were accidentally exposed to high levels of radiation:

Cobalt-60 Radiation Poisoning in Taiwan Apartment
http://www.ecolo.org/documents/docum...lt-taiw-06.pdf

The building was constructed with steel that had a cobalt-60 impurity, making it very radioactive. People had lived in the apartment for a length of time before this problem was discovered. Studies into the cancer rates of the occupants have shown that their cancer rates were 20X lower than the surrounding population.

Radium Girls
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium_Girls

These 35 factory workers were exposed to large amounts of radium, a radioactive substance. They painted watch dials with radium based paints, and often wet the paintbrush by licking it. They ingested up to 10,000 times the normal amount, and contracted radiation sickness. Luckily, they all survived. They were all exposed to massive quantities of radiation, that gave them significant health effects (some people up to 5mSv/hr). Once these effects healed, they continued to live a healthy life. According to current literature, the Cancer risk for those women should have been around 40%. However, 30 years later not one of them had contracted cancer. The chances of this happening according to our current model are nearly 1 in 1 billion.


There is a whole collection of scientific papers on the subject here:
http://www.dose-response.org/
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There were so many disinformation about smoking for many years, for example were reports about the health effect withheld from the public in England in the 1950's because the government were afraid that they wood loose to much tax revenue. Also some have good repaid system but many have not.
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