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Because I never cared about the graphics in the original either.
How could you, with 2 8800's?
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Because I never cared about the graphics in the original either. I've only ever cared about a game being fun and the experience of it. Even for games that are going for a semi-realistic experience, it only has to be realistic enough for me not to spot things during normal gameplay that stand out as really odd.

I forget what the term is called, but when you pull someone out of the experience they're in and bring them back to reality, it negatively affects the experience. The goal for a game like Crysis 1 or 2 is to sell the realism to the player, and the fact is, the average player won't really notice or care about the graphical difference between 1 and 2.
What is the point of PC gaming then? Why not stop the relentless cycle of upgrading and buy a console? If you are content with a negligible improvement over consoles, why not embrace it?



I'd like to tell a little story. Call it a ghost story, call it a nightmare, call it the future, call it a call to arms, call it utter bull****. Call it what you will.

Publishers are in the business of making money. They do not give a damn about what the customer thinks, as long as games are moving and they are making money 1. They can increase profits by decreasing costs of development. They would be overjoyed if everybody owned a 360 and they could develop for a single platform and reap the lower costs (and higher profits) of developing for one hardware configuration.

PC gaming is in the sights of publishers in their crusade to cut costs. Make no mistake, they would be incredibly happy if they could wake up tomorrow and every single PC gamer had handed in his/her PC for an xbox. Much to their chagrin, they cannot wave a wand and make this change happen. As a result they are trying their best to push and prod here and there to make it happen.

The first step is to decrease the extra costs of the PC platform. This comes through crummy textures, so they can put it all on one DVD, 2 slowly decreasing graphics options 3 which cost so many pretty pennies to implement. Sooner or later, the PC version of crossplatform games start to look very similar to the console counterpart 4.

While decreasing the graphics, they stop optimizing for PC almost totally 5. This means that despite games not looking any better, the status quo of having to continually upgrade computers keeps on going. Then, PC gamers thinking about how much that next upgrade will cost start to compare it to the price of a xbox.

Slowly, one by one, they come to the conclusion that there is hardly any difference between the two, and the PC is far more expensive to keep current.

WAKE UP, IT'S ALL ONE BIG PLOY TO ASSIMILATE THE PC MARKET


1. See: anything that escapes from cesspool that is Bobby Kotick's mouth
2. See: Crysis 2
3. See: mw2's incredible PC features
4. See: Every console port, ever
5. See: Black ops

Feel free to point out any leaps in my logic. There aren't many, nor are they very large.
    
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DX11

NOOOOOOOpe....
Interesting. I see some small differences there but not enough to make me want to go out and buy 2 new GPUs
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Edited by CDMAN - 3/30/11 at 6:48pm
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Because I never cared about the graphics in the original either. I've only ever cared about a game being fun and the experience of it. Even for games that are going for a semi-realistic experience, it only has to be realistic enough for me not to spot things during normal gameplay that stand out as really odd.

I forget what the term is called, but when you pull someone out of the experience they're in and bring them back to reality, it negatively affects the experience. The goal for a game like Crysis 1 or 2 is to sell the realism to the player, and the fact is, the average player won't really notice or care about the graphical difference between 1 and 2.
When I expect a squeal i expect it to "improve on every aspect". Crysis was all about the Graphics, that's the reason the game was such a success in the first place. So if you dont care about the graphics then sorry but certainly your needs differ from all of ours.

We pay thousands for our top of the line graphics cards so that this game can push our systems, Not because we want a BS console port.

But then again how could you care with those 8800GT's ?
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DX11


DX9
Well if I'm seeing these screenshots correctly it seems DX10 gives you more ammo which is more than enough reason to buy a new card
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pretty much anything with a curved edge is apparent in dx11 vs dx9.
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"Meanwhile Eurogamer.cz reports via unnamed sources that the long awaited DirectX 11 update for Crysis 2 is still two to three months away from being released"

That's an easy claim to make, in 2 or 3 months no one will remember what they said.
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This is a joke? Right? Tell me you're joking. I have to hear those words.

EDIT: Just saw your response...


Too lazy? Did you stop to think that only 1-2% of their customer base would even be using DX11? So, what's the point of even implementing it. If you cannot give them a financially sound reason to implement it, then you're barking up the wrong tree.

You'd rather Crytek spend time to get DX11 into the game for those 1-2% of people instead of them fixing cheating, which will affect all people playing multiplayer? Do you even realize that implementing DX11 shaders into the game will make literally no visual difference whatsoever? They'd have to actually get things like tessellation setup, or make use of geometry shaders or instancing, for it to even be a recognizable difference, and even then, the game would be no more fun than it was in the first place.

Did you stop and think that this is a PC enthusiast forum? Sometimes I think you should change your title from "game programmer" to "console lobbyist."

Whether you want to believe it or not, your giving "game programmers" a bad rep man. Just go to another forum where the members care more about money than innovation. You'll fit right in.

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Wanting DX11 before cheat fixes has got to be one of the dumbest things I've heard in awhile...
I do agree with this though.
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Awesome. Play it anyway.. So the devs can think that PC gamers want to play the game, just without having to pay for it. Awesome way to stick it to Crytek.

I'm simply going to ignore this game's existence. I'm tired of the same old crap.
Honestly? I have never pirated a game before. Every game I own, I paid fully for (most purchased brand new at full price).

I have consistently held the belief that one day, we would actually get a new game that seriously taxes the available hardware. Don't get me wrong -- gameplay is just as important, more in fact.

But when we consistently get games that have no better graphics than consoles save for playing in a higher resolution and having AA, it gets depressing. I have consistently hoped things would change, that we would finally get a game TRULY designed to take advantage of the latest PC hardware.

I had high hopes for Crysis 2. But yet again, we have ended up with a game developed to run on consoles.

One thing has become abundantly clear to me: We will never get another game on PC that also can't run on consoles.

I no longer care if I become part of a big piracy statistic. Because nothing would be different if piracy didn't exist. The driver here is numbers. No developer will cater to the numbers of the PC platform when they look at the numbers of the console platform.

Developers might SAY they will be taking advantage of the latest PC hardware. But only to hook in unsuspecting buyers. PC gaming is dead.
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