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so the 5670 is the best choice out of the 2?
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You won't be able to take advantage of the DirectX 11 features of the 5670. Getting a lower performance card at this price point can make the difference between having a game that is playable and one that is not. 15% at this pricepoint makes a huge difference.

As for the 4770, it had low yields and wasn't good performing for its price, thus everyone picked the 4850, a card that was faster and cheaper. If it was still available, I'd recommend that. Before it was EOL'd, it was available at $90.
DX11 is better optimised, some games running in dx11 would be smoother than a game running in dx10. Sure you wont have the horsepower for the dx11 features but games made for dx11 would run better. Like farcry 2 ran better in dx10 than dx9.

If a game is smooth on 9800gt, itll be smooth on a 5670. (30vs35fps)
If it lags on a 5670, itll lag on a 9800gt. (14 fps vs 16 fps)

I dont get why people recommend old tech just because its slightly faster without taking into account other things, can you not see that the OP has a 300w PSU? Is it worth double power draw (a $50 psu upgrade) & 20c hotter for 15%? Would you have suggested that I were to get a 295gtx over a 560ti? The 295 is faster.

The 4770 was essentially a 5*** series GPU,yeah the pricing sucked but that was years ago, it can be had for the same as a 9800gt.
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DX11 is better optimised, some games running in dx11 would be smoother than a game running in dx10. Sure you wont have the horsepower for the dx11 features but games made for dx11 would run better. Like farcry 2 ran better in dx10 than dx9.

If a game is smooth on 9800gt, itll be smooth on a 5670. (30vs35fps)
If it lags on a 5670, itll lag on a 9800gt. (14 fps vs 16 fps)

I dont get why people recommend old tech just because its slightly faster without taking into account other things, can you not see that the OP has a 300w PSU? Is it worth double power draw or 20c hotter? Would you have suggested that I were to get a 295gtx over a 560ti? The 295 is faster.

The 4770 was essentially a 5*** series GPU,yeah the pricing sucked but that was years ago, it can be had for the same as a 9800gt.
these were somethings i was looking at, openCL DX ect. also the Strem CPUs and mhz
5670 is 775mhz with 400 streams and dx10, i mean why the hell not?
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and btw thats one reason why my budget is low, im getting a new psu....
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Just get a open box 5750 or catch one on sale right in your price range and they are low powered beast that OC very well.
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i remember my i7, ahh that was good...... until the stock fan blew up and set the computer on fire!
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DX11 is better optimised, some games running in dx11 would be smoother than a game running in dx10. Sure you wont have the horsepower for the dx11 features but games made for dx11 would run better. Like farcry 2 ran better in dx10 than dx9.

If a game is smooth on 9800gt, itll be smooth on a 5670. (30vs35fps)
If it lags on a 5670, itll lag on a 9800gt. (14 fps vs 16 fps)

I dont get why people recommend old tech just because its slightly faster without taking into account other things, can you not see that the OP has a 300w PSU? Is it worth double power draw (a $50 psu upgrade) & 20c hotter for 15%? Would you have suggested that I were to get a 295gtx over a 560ti? The 295 is faster.

The 4770 was essentially a 5*** series GPU,yeah the pricing sucked but that was years ago, it can be had for the same as a 9800gt.

You can only get a used 4770 now. I wouldn't recommend using a Radeon HD 5670 with a shoddy 300W PSU, either. Second, 35 FPS avg. is MUCH more playable than 30 FPS, particularly because the mins. on the card doing 30 FPS avg. will be lower. And no, DirectX 11 will NOT make games run smoother. No game that has come out now runs smoother on DirectX 11. For DirectX 10 and 9, it was a different story. DirectX 10 focused primarily on optimizing games for higher performance and not too much on image quality. DirectX 11 is the opposite. It gives you image quality enhancements like tessellation at the cost of reduced performance.

The OP already said he's getting a new PSU, too, and I wouldn't recommend he use a 5670 with a generic 300W, anyway. A 9800GT will run fine in ANY quality PSU. It wasn't a power hog.
    
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post #27 of 31
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You can only get a used 4770 now.
Awesome, F'in cards!!! If you can find one for a good price, and they OC like monsters! Couldnt find one anywhere for a good price though.
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You can only get a used 4770 now. I wouldn't recommend using a Radeon HD 5670 with a shoddy 300W PSU, either. Second, 35 FPS avg. is MUCH more playable than 30 FPS, particularly because the mins. on the card doing 30 FPS avg. will be lower. And no, DirectX 11 will NOT make games run smoother. No game that has come out now runs smoother on DirectX 11. For DirectX 10 and 9, it was a different story. DirectX 10 focused primarily on optimizing games for higher performance and not too much on image quality. DirectX 11 is the opposite. It gives you image quality enhancements like tessellation at the cost of reduced performance.

The OP already said he's getting a new PSU, too, and I wouldn't recommend he use a 5670 with a generic 300W, anyway. A 9800GT will run fine in ANY quality PSU. It wasn't a power hog.
I dont know whether to laugh or cry. 35 fps is "much" more playable than 30fps? Errrrr No. If I wasnt looking at the fps counter, they would both feel the same.

Wrong each dx that comes out is more optimised. New features included in dx 11 are an adjustable settings. Are you suggesting that all dx11 games have tesselation and depth of field on automatically? LOLOLOLOL.

The 4770 is an excellent card for performance vs watt vs price.
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+1 For 5750 it has a lot oc potential,imho the better deal you can get for these kind of money atm
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I dont know whether to laugh or cry. 35 fps is "much" more playable than 30fps? Errrrr No. If I wasnt looking at the fps counter, they would both feel the same.

Wrong each dx that comes out is more optimised. New features included in dx 11 are an adjustable settings. Are you suggesting that all dx11 games have tesselation and depth of field on automatically? LOLOLOLOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9moo...eature=related

The 4770 is an excellent card for performance vs watt vs price.
I was talking about MINIMUM framerates. Those are more important than avg. and max. Learn to read.

Battleforge is not a game that came out with DX11 and it has no real DX11 features, either, so it's irrelevant. All games that have come out with DirectX 11 natively and have the option for DX10/9 always perform worse in DX11. Do the same for games that came out with native DX10 and the option for DX9 and you'd find at many times DX10 performed better.

To the OP: if you're willing to pay for a new card, but on eBay, you CAN get a Radeon HD 4770. That's the same performance as the 9800GT and is at a lower price, so get that instead. You better do it fast, though, because it's probably a stock clearance sale (the 4770s aren't manufactured anymore).

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