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Originally Posted by KamuiRSX View Post
AMD wouldn't be competing in terms of motherboards. AMD doesn't really have anything to do with beyond designing the chipsets. The rest is up the motherboard manufacturers.

That being said, realistically speaking, they'll only be competing with other AMD chipset based motherboards.

So, you really can't look at anything for an estimation. Also, speaking generally, the P67 motherboards are overpriced. The real question is how much of that price is raised to adjust for the licensing fee that the motherboard manufacturer has to pay to nVidia. Unfortunately, there's no answer. So here's hoping they make better models without SLI.

The one thing I don't understand about the P67 motherboard is that for it to be listed as a "mainstream" system, the price sure doesn't reflect it at all. Even when you add in the cost of the 2500k, you're looking at a good $400 and you haven't even bought RAM yet.
Well, you can look at the P67 boards that support only CF and the ones that support both SLI and CF. That would give you the best estimation, not a good one, but the best we can do with limited information. For example, the P8P67-m regular and Pro in which the difference in price on the Egg is $20. Most of the features are the same aside from a couple extra ports, two extra SATA cables, a slightly larger board and a couple pieces of extra software on the Pro version. These extra features means that the markup that Nvidia would get on the Pro would be less than $20.

And AMD has control over the cost of their chipsets. If the Nvidia markup is similar to that of Intel we would expect that prices of the motherboards to be similar. The motherboard manufactures would use mostly the same components on each board depending on the resources needed for the processor. So a majority of the difference in cost of the motherboards would come down to the cost of the chipsets. It would be in AMD's best interest to keep the cost of the chipsets competitive in order to keep advertising that their platform has more added value.

Dividing up the boards into ones that support SLI and ones that don't would most likely be similar to what manufacturers are doing with Intel boards now. The cheaper boards with less features overall would only support CF while the high-end boards would support both SLI and CF.

I said the P67 boards aren't terribly expensive, but I didn't say they were a better value than the 890FX boards. I meant that even if the board is lacking some features you still can find a P67 board at any price point.

For your "mainstream" argument, you could do the same thing with a 1100T mobo combo and there is definitely a difference in performance. Then again, I don't want to make this another SB vs. Thuban discussion.
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Why not 8 series, its just a bios update
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ok, it has been decided.

I am buying 990FX board whether it is faster than Intel or not.

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With Nvidia's discontinuation of development of desktop chipsets, this was a very easily predicted path for them to take.
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Originally Posted by Seeing Red View Post
Well, you can look at the P67 boards that support only CF and the ones that support both SLI and CF. That would give you the best estimation, not a good one, but the best we can do with limited information. For example, the P8P67-m regular and Pro in which the difference in price on the Egg is $20. Most of the features are the same aside from a couple extra ports, two extra SATA cables, a slightly larger board and a couple pieces of extra software on the Pro version. These extra features means that the markup that Nvidia would get on the Pro would be less than $20.

And AMD has control over the cost of their chipsets. If the Nvidia markup is similar to that of Intel we would expect that prices of the motherboards to be similar. The motherboard manufactures would use mostly the same components on each board depending on the resources needed for the processor. So a majority of the difference in cost of the motherboards would come down to the cost of the chipsets. It would be in AMD's best interest to keep the cost of the chipsets competitive in order to keep advertising that their platform has more added value.

Dividing up the boards into ones that support SLI and ones that don't would most likely be similar to what manufacturers are doing with Intel boards now. The cheaper boards with less features overall would only support CF while the high-end boards would support both SLI and CF.

I said the P67 boards aren't terribly expensive, but I didn't say they were a better value than the 890FX boards. I meant that even if the board is lacking some features you still can find a P67 board at any price point.

For your "mainstream" argument, you could do the same thing with a 1100T mobo combo and there is definitely a difference in performance. Then again, I don't want to make this another SB vs. Thuban discussion.
First off, you're "estimation" isn't really an estimation at all. You're using a competitor's product line in one specific instance by one company to try and come to some form of conclusion that isn't going to happen.

First things first. The current price difference doesn't tell markup. Only the MSRP of the two will tell you that.

Also, you're assuming that the AMD chipsets will cost the same to the motherboard manufacturer as the Intel chipset. We don't know how much these cost or will cost for that matter so you really don't have any information at all to even begin to make an estimation.

AMD can only control the cost of the chipset to the motherboard manufacturer and nothing more. They don't control the manufacturer licensing SLI from nVidia so they have nothing to do with whatever the motherboard manufacturer chooses to charge the consumer.

But...going back to my original point:

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Unfortunately, this means that our great and reasonably priced motherboards will have a higher price tag to make up for nVidia's licensing cost so here's hoping they only make a couple of 990FX boards that support SLI so the rest of us don't have to pay that mark up.
We know it's going to be higher...it's just a question of how much higher and will they give us are reasonable boards without SLI so we don't have to pay that markup. Whatever that markup maybe, not all of us need/want/use SLI.

Also, I don't understand what you mean in this line:

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I said the P67 boards aren't terribly expensive, but I didn't say they were a better value than the 890FX boards. I meant that even if the board is lacking some features you still can find a P67 board at any price point.
No one is talking about the 890FX or even mentioned it for that matter. What I was saying was just simply the P67 motherboards (for the 1155 to be considered Intel's Mainstream lineup) are really expensive and even more so when you add in the CPU. It's pretty much just an observation after looking at their prices especially when compared to say the costs of AMD's mainstream performance chipsets (GX).

Keep in mind that we're talking about mainstream products here and so the 1100T wouldn't be in that line up. You'd be looking at the Athlon II X4 640, Phenom II X4 820, and possibly the Phenom II 955 in terms of relative mainstream AMD CPU's. Technically, the OEM X4 based Thubans would be in there but they are OEM only and for the basis of this design, I've left them out.

Debating performance difference is lame though so I'll end it quickly with this......unless you're doing something where you'll actually notice that difference all the time, you have to ask yourself, is it worth the cost. (I'm not asking you or anything like that I mean the person has to ask themselves if it's worth the cost to them because it's a personal choice and that's the end of that with no other responses).
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this is nvidia congratulating AMD for the 6990 win.
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It makes sense for nVidia to do this. AMD commands 27% (steam hardware survey) of the desktop x86 market, thats a sizable chunk to lock out of SLI, especially if the people who spend money on hardware (that would be us) build AM3+ builds when they become available.
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With Nvidia's discontinuation of development of desktop chipsets, this was a very easily predicted path for them to take.
If BD ends up like Phenom II (As in, competing with low-end but not much more) or worse then I don't think I could have seen it coming, but it seems like nVidia is confident about Bulldozer...Back to the Athlon64 glory days for AMD, maybe?

Athlon64 3500+ or Opteron 160 and an DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D, replaced by Bulldozer 8 or 6 core with a decent Gbyte or ASUS board.
    
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If BD ends up like Phenom II (As in, competing with low-end but not much more) or worse then I don't think I could have seen it coming, but it seems like nVidia is confident about Bulldozer...Back to the Athlon64 glory days for AMD, maybe?

Athlon64 3500+ or Opteron 160 and an DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D, replaced by Bulldozer 8 or 6 core with a decent Gbyte or ASUS board.
This^ ... is the first thing that came to my mind as well when I saw this news. Nvidia must think BD will be fast enough that people who want to go multi-gpu will not shy away from AMD (CPU bottleneck) and go with Intel like many do nowadays. Nvidia may be thinking that there will be a reasonably sized AMD CPU + multi-gpu market in the future and of course they don't want those customers to all buy Radeons.
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