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As an Nvidia owner, it's good to see Nvidia slipping up on crap like this and allowing AMD to pull ahead, so maybe with their next cards they'll actually have to INNOVATE....
Can I ask how nVidia has not innovated with Fermi?
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Can I ask how nVidia has not innovated with Fermi?
I think maybe you're taking his statement out of context.

Not Fermi, Fermi is very innovative.

The issue is the 590, not even compared to the 6990.
It should be compared to the GTX295 as far as innovation is concerned.

When compared to the rev 1 295, even though it was a dual pcb card.
The 590 seems to me that it's a simple rehash of the rev 2 295 co op, which paled in comparison to the rev 1 295.

The rev 1 295 was pretty much bomb proof, massive amounts of oc headroom. Heck I ran both of mine at 1.18v 738/1476 for months with nary a hiccup, f@h.



That is what I expect from an enthusiasts card, so do many other people.


Look at the NF200 bridge the 590 is using, that's been around since the 9800GX2, nothing innovative there.
While the CFX PLX chip has been changed 3 times since it was introduced in the 3870X2.

My point of view doesn't even involve the 6990.
It's the downward spiral since the rev 1 GTX295 that bothers me.

Heck a dual pcb version of the 590 may have done better.
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I think maybe you're taking his statement out of context.

Not Fermi, Fermi is very innovative.

The issue is the 590, not even compared to the 6990.
It should be compared to the GTX295 as far as innovation is concerned.

When compared to the rev 1 295, even though it was a dual pcb card.
The 590 seems to me that it's a simple rehash of the rev 2 295 co op, which paled in comparison to the rev 1 295.

The rev 1 295 was pretty much bomb proof, massive amounts of oc headroom. Heck I ran both of mine at 1.18v 738/1476 for months with nary a hiccup, f@h.



That is what I expect from an enthusiasts card, so do many other people.


Look at the NF200 bridge the 590 is using, that's been around since the 9800GX2, nothing innovative there.
While the CFX PLX chip has been changed 3 times since it was introduced in the 3870X2.

My point of view doesn't even involve the 6990.
It's the downward spiral since the rev 1 GTX295 that bothers me.

Heck a dual pcb version of the 590 may have done better.
Since when were dual gpu boards innovative (except for the 7950GX2, which obviously innovated with the whole concept of dual gpu)? They're just placing two slower cards on a board with a pcie bridge between them because they can't bring out a single faster GPU.

Also, try to avoid the rose tinted glasses when looking back at past purchases
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Since when were dual gpu boards innovative (except for the 7950GX2, which obviously innovated with the whole concept of dual gpu)? They're just placing two slower cards on a board with a pcie bridge between them because they can't bring out a single faster GPU.

Also, try to avoid the rose tinted glasses when looking back at past purchases
You're right, the 590 is not innovative, innovation leads to improvement.
Where's the improvement?

They lost it when they decided to cut costs on these dual gpu cards.
The rev 1 295 was not held to these same constraints, and guess what it did?
Dominated the 4870X2.
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first it was squealing caps now this.

i wish nV would just get w/ the times.

they make good chips but have such cheap-ass, chintzy power delivery.
    
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I think Nvidia should realize people pay for performance. If they went with better power circuitry in the first place, reviews would have gotten out saying it was completely worth the extra $$$. If I knew the 590 would have gotten better VRM's, I wouldn't doubt slapping an $800 price tag on it would have swayed an Enthusiast, especially if it had massive overclocking headroom.
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Very happy that I went with the 580 awhile back, seems like it has the least issues of the 500 series. Not that I'm saying that there's significant problems with most of the cards.
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except for the 7950GX2, which obviously innovated with the whole concept of dual gpu
Dual GPU boards existed long before the 7950GX2. There were third party dual NVIDIA chip boards going back to at least the 6x00 line, and 3DFX had dual and quad VSA100 boards with the Voodoo 5 series.
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well guess we even now nvidia has crappy hardware and amd has crappy drivers,i dunno bout you but the driver issue seems a bit more appealing to deal with
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Dual GPU boards existed long before the 7950GX2. There were third party dual NVIDIA chip boards going back to at least the 6x00 line, and 3DFX had dual and quad VSA100 boards with the Voodoo 5 series.

Voodoo 5 6000 Quad GPU





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Card for card total performance:

3x 6970 > 3x GTX570

/that.
Let's take a look at how scaling does even on an AMD friendly game:



Bad Company 2




And just for the naysayers that might claim it's not OC'd high enough, here's 1021Mhz:


Remember, this 6990 and 2x6970 bench isn't Xfire bridge bottlenecked yet and it's already doing poorly in 3x 1920x1080 monitor resolutions.

If the 6970 is already inferior in single card comparisons and when in Xfire it does even worse, how can you say that Tri-fire will magically do better?
  • The 2GB memory doesn't help the cards at all.
  • Not to mention 3/4-way Xfire bridge bottleneck(info in sig) problem as well.
  • You also wouldn't want to daisy chain 3 30" with DP because of the bridge bottleneck.
  • 6970s only have a single link DVI-D port which can't be used on 30" monitors. Having to convert from DP to DVI-D causes screen tearing in Vsync.





Card for card total performance:

3x GTX570 > 3x 6970

/this

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