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Sorry I guess my point wasn't clear in the way I worded it. In real companies , departmental politics, fiefdoms, and personal agenda's fully determine what goes out the door to customers. Despite what was supposed to be engineered, what the CEO, COO, and Sales team desired etc.

Most of my companies IT Architects /experts were laid off, and outsourced. The new team(s) overseas have no clue what they are doing yet they are being asked to contribute to designing new applications and architect, which is laughable.

Commonly now I have to cleanup after one vendor talking to another (having no clue of the big picture), management doesn't give a crap as long as they get some useless milestone done to receive their bonus. Departments have tunnel vision, and refuse to talk to each other, and have descended to Task mentality and living by email alone.

The problems are discovered by the customer 1st (In every case), are systemic, No one internal wants to be the one to say the product is $hit, and no one is willing to lay accountability at someones feet. Blame is typically sidestepped and laid on those who moved on to greener pastures elsewhere, and the cycle begins anew.

We have no idea what's going on inside Nvidia, tho I believe their latest round of products give us an obvious symptom. Component Capacity Management looks to be a group design, and not actually engineered and measured but likely assumed from 10,000 feet, which means someone guessed in the rush and guessed wrong. That's all.
I agree that there's potentially many steps in the departmental process but one thing stands out for me is that they've done this before (570), and since it's happened before they are aware of it's effect on enthusiasts. It begs the question, is this business as usual, or typical of their design practices?
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okay that was really uncalled for. What made you write that? Don't you think that there might be some other reasons why we bought the card than for e-peen?

As far as the performance goes I'm really happy with what I got. @1200p (yes these cards are not a waste @1200/1080p) the performance is better or on par with a 6990 from what I've seen.

I usually don't overclock gfx cards because I don't want to mess with software OCing, but if nvidia starts limiting the voltage adjustements, speed, performance blatantly I will demand a refund and will get one if need be. And if my card blows I have my warranty and 2 5870s in my drawer waiting as backup cards.

Disregarding the fact that some of the cards blow, and even this is questionable, at least fact that how many cards have gone up in smoke. We don't even know how many have been sold. For all we know only 1/500 has failed. ( you get a new one in the case btw guys) I don't get why people are saying this is a horrible card and the worst card available at the moment. If you need a single card solution and want performance it's ideal, doesn't sound like a leaf blower and is relatively small. And will probably still have good drivers when the 600 series comes out.

And yes performance is stellar.

But as I own a 590 I'm biased and ready to be flamed. All I can say is that if my card can take a nice little OC and does not blow, how can I consider that a fail?
Alatar, please, pay attention to what i wrote

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So... what the hell ... ( attention ... i'm just criticizing some "way of life" that some users have ... you can buy a 590 for your delight of course ... )
I got a 590 ... just didn't fulfill my min-requirements on a $700 board, so i returned it.

Of course there are users that will buy the card because it's the best, single slot solution, from Nvidia, that will allow users to run everything without any hassle ... damn, i was in that "squad" too ...

So i'm not saying that all users that buy GTX590's don't know a thing about graphic cards or that they just buy for the e-peen. There are users, like you, that buy a GTX590 simply because they don't want to go dual card setup and want the best performance from a single slot.

My text is not intended for those users... but for other users @ OCN that simply buy the card and keep on finding foolish arguments without any idea of how to analyze a card, technically speaking. These users try to write down so much text in order to make others think that they really understand about the topic when in fact, they don't have a clue on how a graphic card works ... It's just great to have the greatest card from their favorite company and they will bash everyone and everything that crosses their way...

But hey, we all have the right to give our opinions ... and i will respect them... but for those who try to find the right arguments to contradict other opinions ... try to make some research and have a clue about what you're talking about.

Alatar, again, sorry ... i did not meant to hurt susceptibilities, and english is not my mother tongue so sometimes i can choose the wrong words to express myself ... or maybe the idea i have about the meaning of those words are not the same that a native english speaking user has ...



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I totally agree with you. Why do enthousiasts on OCN buy the 590 anyway when the competition is simply better?

For enthousiast like us, there is a major diference between the 590 and the 6990 that is alot more important then the ''noise'' of ther stock cooler. The 6990, on the AUSUM BIOS switch, doesn't have any TDP and no throttling/PowerTune limit. Or it's almost impossible to reach it! (see Anand review).

That's alot more significant and important for enthousiasts. Put a waterblock on the 6990, and there will be no throttling and no OCP holding you back. You can raise your voltage and not worry about throttling!

That's the way to do a proper enthousiasts card. I can't beleive people are buying the 590 while the competition doesn't have all the limitations, OCP, hard lock voltage that the 590 have.

Why don't people talk about this more on OCN? It's a really major and significant advantage for enthousiasts like us (not Joe-6-pack) for the 6990 design right there.

Read it here on Anand.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4209/a...le-card-king/4

And you can Tri-Fire the 6990 with a 6970. Can't do that with Nvidia. Another significant advantage there also. For the price of 580 SLI, you get 3 GPUs on 2 cards. Better air-flow, etc.

Levesque, we already know what you think and how good you say 6990 is and tri-cf is ... please... you must be copy-pasting that speech ...

Everyone is free to choose what they want.
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Levesque, we already know what you think and how good you say 6990 is and tri-cf is ... please... you must be copy-pasting that speech ...

Everyone is free to choose what they want.
I know. But after reading so many threads and countless posts everywhere from you and on countless different forums, about how you don't like the 590... don't tell me you're not at least agreing with some of my points? Forget the Tri-Fire if you don't dig it. You are free, like you said.

But the total lack of OCP, PowerTune, throttling and TDP limit on the 6990 doesn't appeal to you, an enthousiast? Huh? It's the opposite of everything you dont like about the 590! So why does ''my speech'' doesn't appeal to you? Only because it's me saying it?

Stop focusing on the messenger for 1 second. Think about the cards, and the way they use TDP limits, OCP and throttling. There is none of that on the 6990.
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Think about the cards, and the way they use TDP limits, OCP and throttling. There is none of that on the 6990.
But the Anandtech link you posted says, there are TDP limits, only they were not able to hit them in testing on air.........
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LOL you and the " messenger stuff" ... i think you saw a little too much of the movie "Stigmata"

But hey, yes, i do give my opinion in various forums since i'm an active user i still don't like what they did with the card ... but from now on... i made my point and i will not talk more about this card ... for me ... it's period, paragraph I think everyone nows everything by now
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Nvidia, I am disappoint.
^^^This.


Nvidia, we iz disappoint.
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okay that was really uncalled for. What made you write that? Don't you think that there might be some other reasons why we bought the card than for e-peen?

As far as the performance goes I'm really happy with what I got. @1200p (yes these cards are not a waste @1200/1080p) the performance is better or on par with a 6990 from what I've seen.

I usually don't overclock gfx cards because I don't want to mess with software OCing, but if nvidia starts limiting the voltage adjustements, speed, performance blatantly I will demand a refund and will get one if need be. And if my card blows I have my warranty and 2 5870s in my drawer waiting as backup cards.

Disregarding the fact that some of the cards blow, and even this is questionable, at least fact that how many cards have gone up in smoke. We don't even know how many have been sold. For all we know only 1/500 has failed. ( you get a new one in the case btw guys) I don't get why people are saying this is a horrible card and the worst card available at the moment. If you need a single card solution and want performance it's ideal, doesn't sound like a leaf blower and is relatively small. And will probably still have good drivers when the 600 series comes out.

And yes performance is stellar.

But as I own a 590 I'm biased and ready to be flamed. All I can say is that if my card can take a nice little OC and does not blow, how can I consider that a fail?
One in ever five hundred burning is far from okay.
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One in ever five hundred burning is far from okay.
In reality no it's not, the GTX285 had a 15% return rate, this was Asus only.
So who knows what the total really was.
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