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I have an unending love for ATI because it goes the miles for me.. But I'd never spew crap like this..
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Re-cleaned. I don't care what you guys think about saulin, some of the comments about him were NOT acceptable. Just report and don't post.
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Re-cleaned. I don't care what you guys think about saulin, some of the comments about him were NOT acceptable. Just report and don't post.
Whoa two and a half pages gone at 40 posts per page... good work lol
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Why would they cheap out on such a component, on their highest end card?

less money spent on the fermi fiasco ... trying to save some money in order to sell cards for more proffits knowing their card wont anhiliate the 6990 ....


but its just a wild fanboy guess ....
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the only way I'd get a 590 is if someone makes a badass non reference version like an msi lightning version or something
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Re-cleaned. I don't care what you guys think about saulin, some of the comments about him were NOT acceptable. Just report and don't post.
Well done.

As for the article and the issue at hand:
I dont think the 590 is a "Failure." However, I do think its very badly underiengineered and that its a crap-shoot as to weather or not yours will fail @ stock.
The card is very poorly designed. That much is patently obvious.
But you guys are treating it like its the worst thing to ever happen to video cards and I dont think thats a fair assessment of the issue.

Its a poorly built card that was designed with all the wrong things in mind, but its still very powerful. And if you have a good warranty and a halfway decent backup card im not really sure what the issue is if someone wants one (aside from rewarding Nvidia for bad design choices.)
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Well done.

As for the article and the issue at hand:
I dont think the 590 is a "Failure." However, I do think its very badly underiengineered and that its a crap-shoot as to weather or not yours will fail @ stock.
The card is very poorly designed. That much is patently obvious.
But you guys are treating it like its the worst thing to ever happen to video cards and I dont think thats a fair assessment of the issue.

Its a poorly built card that was designed with all the wrong things in mind, but its still very powerful. And if you have a good warranty and a halfway decent backup card im not really sure what the issue is if someone wants one (aside from rewarding Nvidia for bad design choices.)
Well, I think part of the reason that the GTX 590 is getting a lot of 'hate' is because, well, this is Overclock.net.

The way Nvidia marketed and hyped up the GTX 590 at its price point, clearly aimed at enthusiasts and with the goal of taking back the "fastest GPU in the world crown," did not live up to expectations at all.

In fact, it's got some design flaws as you mentioned that severely gimp the card's abilities to perform at the level of its price point, and clearly, that's a problem.

Most of us willing to shell out close to $800 after taxes for a GPU are probably not expecting it to blow up/die with a 5-10% overclock/voltage increase, let alone die at STOCK.

I mentioned before that a GTX 590 is a great solution if you're like me, who came from a pair of 480s but wanted less power consumption, less heat and less noise in my case. The GTX 590 was a great fit. But its inability to overclock and possibility that it fails without any OC or voltage tweaks is a huge concern.

I'll give it a chance considering that I don't need to overclock it with my setup, but HAVING to run at stock or else risk imminent damage/death to the card isn't exactly an ideal position to be in, warranty/RMA coverage or not.

I'll hope for the best news over the weekend and decide whether or not I keep my 590 when I get it next week.
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Unfortunately, things like the GTX590 happen when the suits make the engineering decisions. I think originally the engineers wanted to go toe-to-toe with the HD6990 and beat it - they very obviously knew (like the rest of us) that such cards are aimed at the high end, and that very naturally means overclockers. If anyone can point me at an extreme PC gamer who doesn't overclock, please do so.

However, the suits decided that they wanted a "user friendly" dual-GPU solution, i.e. a quiet one - unfortunately, they didn't realise that the target market doesn't care, and if there's a problem with noise, they will rebuild their rigs to suit; i.e watercooling. It's also very likely that they wanted to price-match the HD6990 and make a profit and not hurt GTX580 SLI sales, which are worth an extra $300 per purchase.

Add these decisions together, and you get the GTX590. The max CUDA cores, full bus-width GF110 was the chip to use, since they could run it at lower clocks, get the same performance as GTX570 SLI and use less power, which in turn means they could use a cheaper power delivery system.

Basically, the GTX590 looks like a botch, trying to cover two markets. The sensible option would have been to take a hit on the profit margin and either use higher-current VRMs or use the same ones in a n+1 configuration per GPU, where n is greater than 4. Would 5+1 be possible, or does n have to be an even number?

the engineers dont decide things ... they work for a company ... the company decide what to do and ask for the input of the engineers who then give them an how it could work ... and how much ressource it would take ... and then the suits tell them .. well cut back a bit on the cost .. so the engineers do their best to not cut too much while respecting the demands of the suits ...
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GTX 590 is fail. nVidia took a big rep hit with this card. I'll never do dual GPU cards since my poor experience with the 4GB 5970. Multi-GPU options with multiple single cards and a proper motherboard are always a better option, no matter the manufacturer. I hope nVIdia learns from this not to skimp on components in the future.

By the time you mandatory water cool a 590 or 6990 you are up in the price range of two dedicated cards.
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i know they shouldn't of cheaped out on VRM's
but seriously why do you need to overclock a card of this caliber?
what game are you playing that you can't get a steady 30fps on with a dual GF110 card?
.... You do realize that this is OCN, yeah? OVERCLOCK.NET. Not UnderClock.Net. Not Stockclock.net. OVERCLOCK.
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