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Originally Posted by donkru View Post
I long for the day that games are made for pc and then ported to consoles. I understand having exclusive games but seriously, Don't make a game playability exclusive as well.
Ummmm they already are. The problem is that some moron decided that throwing away the PC controls makes sense, instead of coding in console controls and leaving everything in.

See this is what I mean. People are so used to being screwed over by the developers they assume that games are ported to PC.They aren't they are 100% built on PC, stored on Server and ported to console. It's been this way since the dawn of console and computers. I don't know how to make this any clearer. Do people HONESTLY believe that Atari got started by developing their games on their 1st console? Or Nintendo on the Colecovision? C'mon you're OCN members you are enthusiast PC owners. You're supposed to be smarter than the average console fanbois.

~Ceadder
Sorry, I had to read this several times.

donkru said he eagerly awaits the day games are 'made for pc". He never said anything about on which platform the game was developed on.

In addition to that point, I don't think anyone cares about what platform the devs use to make the games.

EDIT: I see that your hometown is Пек, so I'm guessing you are Russian and perhaps English is not your first language? There's a big difference between on and for which in this case is important.
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Sorry, I had to read this several times.

donkru said he eagerly awaits the day games are 'made for pc". He never said anything about on which platform the game was developed on.

In addition to that point, I don't think anyone cares about what platform the devs use to make the games.

EDIT: I see that your hometown is Пек, so I'm guessing you are Russian and perhaps English is not your first language? There's a big difference between on and for which in this case is important.
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Ummmm they already are. The problem is that some moron decided that throwing away the PC controls makes sense, instead of coding in console controls and leaving everything in.
So you gotta bust my balls because you don't give a rats ass? But since you chose to ride in on your pearly white high horse, lemme give you a clue. He said he longs for the day. Well that day is already here. HUR DUUUUUR. You might look up the word Expounding in Websters. Is that illegal where you're from?

And I'm from Пекло. We don't speak Russian. We don't speak Chinese. We don't speak any specific dialect. But apparently neither do you. Read what he wrote again and roll the truck on by.

Пекло is Ukranian for Hell.

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post #113 of 126
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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post
So you gotta bust my balls because you don't give a rats ass? But since you chose to ride in on your pearly white high horse, lemme give you a clue. He said he longs for the day. Well that day is already here. HUR DUUUUUR. You might look up the word Expounding in Websters. Is that illegal where you're from?

And I'm from Пекло. We don't speak Russian. We don't speak Chinese. We don't speak any specific dialect. But apparently neither do you. Read what he wrote again and roll the truck on by.

Пекло is Ukranian for Hell.

~Ceadder
Where do I say I don't care? Why the personal attacks?

And look, sorry if I didn't get your location right, I just quickly searched it in google. No need to attack me about dialects and all.

I should stick to short and concise sentences.

All that I wanted to say is the following;

- Your second paragraph in the following quote is useless in this discussion.
- Donkru wants games to be tailor made to the PC, taking advantage of what PCs have to offer.

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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post
Ummmm they already are. The problem is that some moron decided that throwing away the PC controls makes sense, instead of coding in console controls and leaving everything in.

See this is what I mean. People are so used to being screwed over by the developers they assume that games are ported to PC.They aren't they are 100% built on PC, stored on Server and ported to console. It's been this way since the dawn of console and computers. I don't know how to make this any clearer. Do people HONESTLY believe that Atari got started by developing their games on their 1st console? Or Nintendo on the Colecovision? C'mon you're OCN members you are enthusiast PC owners. You're supposed to be smarter than the average console fanbois.
Also as an aside, what does "roll the truck on by" mean? I have not come across this expression before.
    
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i remember back from the amiga and atarist pre-internet days that the main advantage computers had over consoles were public domain and shareware games, rather than big buck productions.
I liked nes for mario, mega drive for sonic and the pc for shareware jazz jackrabbit (i later bought the full game).

I do not think consoles are holding pc games back and there is no need to invade one's home turf either.

It has more to do with the shrinkage of console makers to 3 companies, one of which dominates on the pc market as well, rather than game developers fault. A game feels the same both on ps3 and xbox360, unlike the dreamcast, the xbox and the ps2 or the saturn and the ps1

Also pc publishers like lucasarts earn money from old games as well, something the consoles lack.

Better graphics and directx 11 are just the tip of the iceberg.
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post #115 of 126
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biggest BS I have heard all day man.

Bottom Line is your so called Consoles are outdated POS's that are the weaker system compared to the all mighty PC, and the consoles are holding back the dev's from pushing the games to their max potential..

How about a much simpler context?

no console = No more Platform for the devs = no more holding back
If you had a sibling (console) with special needs (weaker system) and your parents (devs) were giving them more attention and neglecting you, would you blame your sibling or your parents?

And you can't say they should get rid of consoles just because you don't like them, there are a lot more people who prefer consoles then there are people who game on PC's (Hence the console is more successful). Consoles are usually bought by people with no interest in computers (the majority of people) and without consoles most of them wouldn't be able to game at all because they either wouldn't be able to afford some over priced prebuilt gaming rig or don't have the know how to make a good budget rig themselves. And if they went out looking for a PC that cost around the same as a console they'd probably end up with one that doesn't even have a dedicated graphics card.

Saying they should get rid of consoles is like saying the best way to cure a disease is to kill the patient. No patient, no disease. Because if you kill the consoles you'd most likely kill the entire industry as well.

It's the developers own fault for not bothering to make good PC versions because they just don't care as much about PC because there's more profit in consoles. Simple as.

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no console = No more Platform for the devs = no more holding back
Dev's have the option of making good games for PC and most don't take it. Hardly consoles fault?

And how do you explain the small amount of devs that make good games for both PC and console? (Like DICE and Valve). They aren't being held back because the dev's CHOSE to make a good PC version, unlike other devs who only care about profit margins rather then making the best game they can.

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and the consoles are holding back the dev's from pushing the games to their max potential..
Situation is that if a new generation of consoles came out and IF those consoles had the same level of power as a high end gaming rig and devs WERE pushing games to their max potential PC's would still be getting s**t ports with crap gameplay because consoles are where the money's at and most devs don't really care about PC because it takes up a small fraction of the market.

And a few years further down the line when PC's are better then those consoles most dev's will probably still be making c**p ports because they don't give a flying f**k about making the best game they possibly can, they just want profits. The CoD series is a great example of this.

[When i say "devs" that includes publishers as well]

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Originally Posted by awdrifter View Post
If all the AAA developers left PC, I dont think the indie devs can fill the void. Even if you use outdated engines and tech, it still cost money to hire people to write a good story, design good gameplay, test the gameplay balance, music, and all the other stuff that makes a good game. Maybe because I'm not looking hard for it, but I haven't seen any indie game on PC that I'm interested in for a long time. The last game that I guess can be considered indie is Trine. That was 2 years ago.
You haven't seen Infinity: The Quest for Earth then?
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Originally Posted by AK-47 View Post
pc gamers are the most annoying group of people ever
All they ever do is cry about console gaming ruining pc gaming
I missed the part where consoles had a mind of their own
Greedy corporations is what's hurting pc gaming not consoles
Too bad the natural forces of supply and demand worked so hard against PC gaming. We need to ask Microsoft and Sony if they really are just slaves to the shareholders or do they actually care about making real improvements in gaming? at some point there will be a game changer game that will open up some eyeballs that this PC hardware is here and its untapped, there must be 50million pc's or more in potential sales untapped.

Devs are spending $100+ million on making a good game **** to support 2005 hardware? my dual core phone is faster than the xbox 360! those consoles belong in a museum.
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Originally Posted by Danylu View Post
Where do I say I don't care? Why the personal attacks?
"I don't think anyone cares about what platform the devs use to make the games"

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Originally Posted by Danylu View Post
I should stick to short and concise sentences.
Again with the condescension. My grasp of the English language is extremely high. I was at a College Reading and English level before I hit High School.


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Originally Posted by Danylu View Post
- Your second paragraph in the following quote is useless in this discussion.
- Donkru wants games to be tailor made to the PC, taking advantage of what PCs have to offer.
See what you don't understand is that games ARE made to the PC. But somewhere along the line some fool decides that they will only go so far with the development of the console games. Now if it's a console specific game like Gears of War or Gran Turismo, nobody expects for those to be made into PC titles so if they don't want to work on DX10/DX11 for those titles no big deal. All I was saying was that the titles are there for the PC if the Developers stop throwing out the core components.



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Also as an aside, what does "roll the truck on by" mean? I have not come across this expression before.
Roll the truck on by: Means not your debate, argument, conversation ABC your way out of it.

But hey maybe I took your condescension the wrong way, I apologize if that's the case. I was born in Memphis Tennessee, I'm a Veteran. I probably have a better grasp on the English language than you do. My second quote had a lot more to do with it if you take the moment required and give it some thought.

He said he longs for the day... I say that day is already here and has been since electronic gaming has existed. My second paragraph was supportive of that. You know when you write a paper and turn it in? That's what your Instructor wants to see. That you understand your premise and that you can support it.

And again, Пекло means Hell in Unkranian. I have Ukrainian text because I play the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series.

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Libyan citizens are the most annoying group of people ever.
All they ever do is cry about a dictatorship ruining their lives and freedom.
Why was my post calling this guy an idiot deleted but his post mocking people who are dying is still there?
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Wait till we see higher resolution HDTV's then you will see the new consoles to take advantage of them, then you will see better games after that.
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This isn't just about PC vs consoles, or the graphics. This is about the quality of games in general. Games used to be challenging, story-driven, long, replayable, etc... They used to take weeks to finish and always kept you glued to your chair waiting to see what happened next. And you were able to replay it and yet feel like you're playing an entirely different game. Very few games today do that, and 99% of them are RPGs.

Nowadays most games are being "streamlined" to appeal to kids (whether on PC or on consoles). Just look at what happened to Prince of Persia for example. It turned into a game of collecting 'coins'. Or what happened to Bioware's RPGs compared to their previous ones.

Yet people will buy them, and thus developers will keep producing them, and stop producing true-quality games.

Edit: I think the real reasons why people blame consoles for hurting PC gaming, is that they allowed gaming to become mainstream and doable by everyone. And we all know that once something goes mainstream, it will mostly turn to s***.
maybe because you were a kid back then?
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