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thanks.
in the end not gonna do 2 pumps for now just one, other was just for redundacy anyways.
gonna order some parts today. just hopping stock is available.
but first ill be painting the inside of the case on spare time.
should be interesting me painting lol, i did do houses for a while. tks people, this site is da bomb.
good to have a place to talk about this stuff all my freinds no one is in to pcs much but i tend to help with their builds
will be tacking pics with luck more paint on case than me....
Just curious what sort of stripping agent you plan to use to get the paint up? Or will you just ruff it and primer it, before going with the red? It's going to look good whichever way you go with it.

I thought about doing multi pumps as well, but in the end, I use coretemp and set the max heat pretty low (for shut down), just in case the pump fails and I temp up. Much past 1.5 gpm the cooling potential starts to bottom out so the 18ish watts the additional pump is going to put into the loop hardly pays for itself thermally.

I think you mentioned UV's before, most if not all of the kits come pre sleeved with the inverter and controller already attached, its simple to install them and some can be daisy chained, so you use 2, you'll have 1 as a spare in the event of a failure.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...oducts_id=3322

I use 2 of these myself with no real complaints aside from the weak ass Velcro "attaching" equipment it comes with... you will change that out of the box.

Hey, you do painting, what would you suggest as to painting the front bezel of my case (abs plastic) nzxt phantom... the drive door I want to do some kanji on, paint or carbon fiber sticker with the kanji cut out... can't decide...?
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painting houses not same paint as plastic, abs
was long time ago also.

my case its easy inside is not painted so some light sanding so the primer grabs well.
after that eihter uv paint with some clear coat on top or just reg paint with thats powder look and clear coat also.

Abs is not hard but harder, teste it first on a area that cannot be seen, ive seen some reactions to paint
paint - solvent-based paint
its easy to chip off after so ive used to sand it first 300 grit i guess i used, u just want ho help the paint grab, also clean it well after no oils from fingers.

u can also use primer and after use acrylic spray

in the end if u only want to do kanji sticker will be alot less work, and must be some nice looking ones out there
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There are 2 things i would change on your list

1) MCP35X pump to a MCP655 Vario. the 655 is a great pump and allows you to change pressure. It's cheaper and can handle a CPU/multi GPU/multi rad setup. If you do find you need a little more you can get a dual pump top that allows you to connect a second one for a nice clean look. The only reason i see going to a MCP35X is if you are going to attach a tube reservoir to the top.

2) XSPC RX360 to a Swiftech MCR320. Just as good as the RX360 at half the price. Save the money and get some nice AP-15 Fans. With AP-15/14 fans you don't even need a fan controller, their that quiet.

Painting a PC case is fun, especially if you have a lacquer finish in it. Painting over that is a pain.
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Definitely go with Sidewinder. I contacted Gary two weeks ago with some questions. He helped me out a lot, and I just received an order where i spent 350 bucks with him. He's honest, he's got some fo the best prices around (and THE best prices on many things) and he ships fast. Hes definitely secured my future business, that's for sure.
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There are 2 things i would change on your list

1) MCP35X pump to a MCP655 Vario. the 655 is a great pump and allows you to change pressure. It's cheaper and can handle a CPU/multi GPU/multi rad setup. If you do find you need a little more you can get a dual pump top that allows you to connect a second one for a nice clean look. The only reason i see going to a MCP35X is if you are going to attach a tube reservoir to the top.
You do realize that MCP35X is not a fixed speed pump ? I can adjust mine from 1300 to 4500 rpm. And as soon as you start adding anything to MCP655 it becomes more expensive than MCP35X.
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I hafta disagree with some of the EK nickle issues... personally, I have not seen this issue on any of my gear, and it seems to have been strictly with the full block covers and only certain ones at that... sooo...

I see 2 pumps, your not going to need that much pumping power for 1 rad and cpu block... even if you were to add multi gpu and nb cooling later on, you could always add another pump if it came down to it, which it wont.

Push pull is always fun, theres another option using a bezel or shroud and going with a cheaper fan setup, even a couple mm's using rubberized decoupler are a good bet. I like yate loons, I know others do as well... and the price is super right for those. Between those and gentle typhoons, silence is golden.

Good luck with your build, look forward to seeing it in action.
Issues with EK Nickel plating have been reported with GTX 470 full covers, Supreme HF's and I believe two other types of blocks here on OCN. Personally it's not worth the risk for me- EK's RMA has been lethargic at best, and whether it's a bad batch or bad process, it won't show for several months so it's just a time-bomb in my mind.

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There are 2 things i would change on your list

1) MCP35X pump to a MCP655 Vario. the 655 is a great pump and allows you to change pressure. It's cheaper and can handle a CPU/multi GPU/multi rad setup. If you do find you need a little more you can get a dual pump top that allows you to connect a second one for a nice clean look. The only reason i see going to a MCP35X is if you are going to attach a tube reservoir to the top.

2) XSPC RX360 to a Swiftech MCR320. Just as good as the RX360 at half the price. Save the money and get some nice AP-15 Fans. With AP-15/14 fans you don't even need a fan controller, their that quiet.
I like the Swiftech MCR-320, I have 2 and a third rad which is a Swiftech MCR220. The Swiftech's have slightly higher FPI than the RX, and the RX is thicker. The RX will perform better with quieter/slower fans, but both are really great options. The MCR is the bargain king though, price/performance is off-the-chart good. I also run dual 655 varios, they work well for me, they're quieter and run cooler than the 35_ series. (350/355/35x). 35x does have higher head pressure by a small margin, though you're not likely to ever see that affecting your temps with such a small loop. Either set of pumps will serve you well, and one of either is plenty to start with.
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You do realize that MCP35X is not a fixed speed pump ? I can adjust mine from 1300 to 4500 rpm. And as soon as you start adding anything to MCP655 it becomes more expensive than MCP35X.
He said he was thinking of getting two. 2 MCP655 would cost less than 2 MCP35X. I never said the MCP35X didn't have a speed contoller, it uses PWM which his Asus P6X58D Premium board only has 1 pwm header. So adding a second MCP35x (which he was thinking about doing) wouldn't work. Why do you think i said get a MCP655 Vario? I'm trying to give him options on what he wanted but different parts with the same features....maybe a little different on implementation, but the same none the less.

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Issues with EK Nickel plating have been reported with GTX 470 full covers, Supreme HF's and I believe two other types of blocks here on OCN. Personally it's not worth the risk for me- EK's RMA has been lethargic at best, and whether it's a bad batch or bad process, it won't show for several months so it's just a time-bomb in my mind.
I've ordered a EK Full board block for my Crosshair IV Formula, so i hope the nickle plating on it is alright. I'm gonna be pissed if it's crap.... It is a new one from EK, so hopefully it's a new batch.
Edited by huhh - 4/1/11 at 12:04pm
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He said he was thinking of getting two. 2 MCP655 would cost less than 2 MCP35X. I never said the MCP35X didn't have a speed contoller, it uses PWM which his Asus P6X58D Premium board only has 1 pwm header. So adding a second MCP35x (which he was thinking about doing) wouldn't work. Why do you think i said get a MCP655 Vario? I'm trying to give him options on what he wanted but different parts with the same features....maybe a little different on implementation, but the same none the less.



I've ordered a EK Full board block for my Crosshair IV Formula, so i hope the nickle plating on it is alright. I'm gonna be pissed if it isn't....
Ok then. By the way, PWM headers are no problem, use something like this and you control three pumps from one MB header : http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10..._AK-CB002.html
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Ok then. By the way, PWM headers are no problem, use something like this and you control three pumps from one MB header : http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10..._AK-CB002.html
Oh look now your TWO MCP35X is more expensive than my TWO MCP655 suggestion. on top if it now you want him to buy a PWM splitter too. Now only did you double your price of your suggestion you added on to it...

What is it you said earlier?
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You do realize that MCP35X is not a fixed speed pump ? I can adjust mine from 1300 to 4500 rpm. And as soon as you start adding anything to MCP655 it becomes more expensive than MCP35X.
Also his PWM header is near the CPU,at the top of his case. His pump(s) most likely at the bottom. He now has no more PWM headers for any other fans. Or he could just get a MCP655, add another MCP655 later on and use a little screw driver to change the speed to what he needs. Now how often do you think he'll need to change it? I've got mine at 5 and it's been there since i put it in.
Edited by huhh - 4/1/11 at 12:21pm
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Oh look now your TWO MCP35X is more expensive than my TWO MCP655 suggestion. on top if it now you want him to buy a PWM splitter too. Now only did you double your price of your suggestion you added on to it...

What is it you said earlier?

Also his PWM header is near the CPU,at the top of his case. His pump(s) most likely at the bottom. He now has no more PWM headers for any other fans. Or he could just get a MCP655, add another MCP655 later on and use a little screw driver to change the speed to what he needs. Now how often do you think he'll need to change it? I've got mine at 5 and it's been there since i put it in.
I never said anything about using 2 MCP35X pumps, I said it's cheaper to buy one of those than to use a dual top and two MCP655 pumps. Then you said it wouldn't be possible to control two pumps using one fan header and I showed you how it works.

And P6X58D Premium has two PWM headers, no problem using PWM control for both pump and fans.
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