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I have both cards.

The GTX470 has a very nice Aquatuning water block that works great.

The MSI Twin Frozer 2 GTX560ti has a great air cooling heat sink. I really only need one video card and I want to sell one of these. Just not sure which one to keep.





I got the MSI 560ti last week. I won it from a Hard Forum MSI giveaway.

To me it is all about performance. Power wise the GTX560ti does look like it will save me some money in electricity.


Which to keep? Why?
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Keep the GTX 470. Use the 560 as a PhysX card.
     
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Electricity wise we are talking about a roughly 50W difference. If you are running both cards 24/7 you will be consuming some 1kW more a day, generally a kW of power in the US goes for $.1, so in a month you would be saving at most $3.
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post #4 of 27
A 470 under water should clock high enough that it can outperform a 560 on air. And even if not, you'd only be seeing a marginal % increase in performance.

Since you already have the loop, keep the 470 imo.
post #5 of 27
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Originally Posted by Imglidinhere View Post
Keep the GTX 470. Use the 560 as a PhysX card.


I thought about it but there just doesn't seem to be many games that really benefit from it.

It did give me a nice score on the new MSI Kombuster benchmark though.

http://www.ozone3d.net/msi_kombustor...00.php?id=6735

Quote:
KMark score (OpenGL 4): 7252 points (136 FPS)
Submitted by SonDa5 on April 1 2011, 8:43 am
Graphics score: 7389 points (135 FPS)
PhysX score: 8237 points (344 FPS, 428 SPS, GPU PhysX)
Combined score: 6495 points (51 FPS, 311 SPS)

Duration: 130000 ms
Resolution: 1280 x 720
Anti-aliasing: X4
Window mode: fullscreen

Primary renderer: GeForce GTX 470/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL version: 4.1.0
Graphics drivers: 8.17.12.7051 (3-26-2011) - nvoglv64

Number of GPUs: 2

GPU0: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470
Device ID: 4318 - 1741
Memory size: 1280
Core clock: 900 MHz
Memory clock: 1900 MHz
Shader clock: 1800 MHz
Max GPU usage: 97%
Max GPU temperature during the test: 49°C


GPU1: GeForce GTX 560 Ti
Device ID: 4318 - 4608
Memory size: 1024
Core clock: 1050 MHz
Memory clock: 2300 MHz
Shader clock: 2100 MHz
Max GPU usage: 70%
Max GPU temperature during the test: 56°C


CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9550 @ 2.83GHz
CPU speed: 4330 MHz
Operating System: Windows 7 64-bit build 7601 [Service Pack 1]
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post #6 of 27
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A 470 under water should clock high enough that it can outperform a 560 on air. And even if not, you'd only be seeing a marginal % increase in performance.

Since you already have the loop, keep the 470 imo.


What about a 560ti with a water block and a bios with higher voltage?

I have noticed the ram on the 560ti is extremely fast and it doesn't even have heat sinks. Full water block would probably help the 560ti quite a bit.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SonDa5 View Post
What about a 560ti with a water block and a bios with higher voltage?

I have noticed the ram on the 560ti is extremely fast and it doesn't even have heat sinks. Full water block would probably help the 560ti quite a bit.
Hmm probably. The 560 has a ton of OC headroom. I haven't seen many underwater but a few people have hit 1050MHz core on air. At that point it actually surpasses a stock 570.

If you're willing to buy a block for it, then it might be better to get rid of the 470
post #8 of 27
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Hmm probably. The 560 has a ton of OC headroom. I haven't seen many underwater but a few people have hit 1050MHz core on air. At that point it actually surpasses a stock 570.

If you're willing to buy a block for it, then it might be better to get rid of the 470


Running as dedicate physx card the GTX560ti clocks fast.


Best run on the kombuster benchmark so far.


http://www.ozone3d.net/msi_kombustor...00.php?id=6738
Quote:
KMark score (OpenGL 4): 7515 points (151 FPS)
Submitted by SonDa5 on April 1 2011, 9:15 am
Graphics score: 8065 points (153 FPS)
PhysX score: 8461 points (384 FPS, 432 SPS, GPU PhysX)
Combined score: 6105 points (53 FPS, 282 SPS)

Duration: 130000 ms
Resolution: 1280 x 720
Anti-aliasing: X4
Window mode: fullscreen

Primary renderer: GeForce GTX 470/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL version: 4.1.0
Graphics drivers: 8.17.12.7051 (3-26-2011) - nvoglv64

Number of GPUs: 2

GPU0: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470
Device ID: 4318 - 1741
Memory size: 1280
Core clock: 900 MHz
Memory clock: 1900 MHz
Shader clock: 1800 MHz
Max GPU usage: 97%
Max GPU temperature during the test: 50°C


GPU1: GeForce GTX 560 Ti
Device ID: 4318 - 4608
Memory size: 1024
Core clock: 1100 MHz
Memory clock: 2350 MHz
Shader clock: 2200 MHz
Max GPU usage: 71%
Max GPU temperature during the test: 56°C


CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9550 @ 2.83GHz
CPU speed: 4330 MHz
Operating System: Windows 7 64-bit build 7601 [Service Pack 1]
Going to have to do some research to see which games benefit from Physx. UT3 is my favorite game so if it will help out with UT3 I may keep the card. Still uncertain what to do.


I think the 560ti has more overclocking in it as well. Water block may help get there.
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i'd say you keep the 470. i has more shaders and if you manage t get it 850 core i'm sure it could outperform a GTX560 even if its overclocked. besides, i don't think the TF560 has heatsinks on its vrm's so running it a 1Ghz 24/7 wouldn't be very smart.
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i'd say you keep the 470. i has more shaders and if you manage t get it 850 core i'm sure it could outperform a GTX560 even if its overclocked. besides, i don't think the TF560 has heatsinks on its vrm's so running it a 1Ghz 24/7 wouldn't be very smart.
it does
the new TFII cards have an entire separate heatsink like underneath the main pipes and fan assembly
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