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Hello,

First thanks for taking the time to read this, I'm not exactly sure what's going on, and I know this is the place for an answer.

Long story short Monday of this week I began receiving Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender messages in my inbox after attempting to send e-mail out. I run multiple domains from a single shared hosting account with a dedicated IP. This is an edited version of the message I'm getting:
Quote:
user@domain.net
SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
host aspmx.l.google.com [209.XX.XXX.XX](Google IP): 550-5.7.1 [69.XX.XX.XX 1] (Shared Hosting Nameserver IP) Our system has detected an unusual rate of unsolicited
550-5.7.1 mail originating from your IP address. To protect our users from
550-5.7.1 spam, mail sent from your IP address has been blocked. Please visit
550-5.7.1 http://www.google.com/mail/help/bulk_mail.html to review our Bulk
550 5.7.1 Email Senders Guidelines. vu##############.139

This is a copy of the message, including all the headers.

Return-path:
Received: from [173.XXX.XXX.XX] (MyISP Dedicated IP) (helo=[192.XXX.X.XXX] (Home Network IP))
by severname.hostname.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256)
(Exim 4.69)
(envelope-from )
id ######-######-##
for user@domain.net; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:53:14 -0500
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Unfortunately, you blocked out several details which are necessary to identify and solve your problem, so I'm just going to give some general info.

If this is your own domain name, then ideally you should set up your own mail server to handle your incoming and outgoing mail.

If this is your own domain name and you hosted email at Google, then you will need to set your outgoing SMTP server to your ISP's mail server, exactly as the message said.

If this isn't your own domain name, then you will need to set your outgoing SMTP server to your ISP's mail server, or to a SMTP server provided by whoever owns the domain name.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by error10;12960325 
Unfortunately, you blocked out several details which are necessary to identify and solve your problem, so I'm just going to give some general info.

If this is your own domain name, then ideally you should set up your own mail server to handle your incoming and outgoing mail.

If this is your own domain name and you hosted email at Google, then you will need to set your outgoing SMTP server to your ISP's mail server, exactly as the message said.

If this isn't your own domain name, then you will need to set your outgoing SMTP server to your ISP's mail server, or to a SMTP server provided by whoever owns the domain name.

error,

Thanks for taking the time to read this thread and comment on it. I removed those details for both privacy & security reasons, I wasn't sure what I could leave, and what I should strip out. I always try to lean towards the side of better safe then sorry.

I'm technically inclined but not specifically on this sort of tech so please bear with me. I own the domain name and manage it at Namecheap.com but it points to my host Pacifichost.com's nameservers. I pay for a shared hosting plan at Pacifichost and a dedicated IP. While I only have one shared account I have multiple domains pointing to the account. I use Thunderbird as my e-mail client and have my outgoing SMTP settings for each seperate account set to mail.MyDomainName.com port 25 utilizing STARTTLS security and normal password authentication. This has worked for months so unless MyISP has changed something Monday I'm not sure who to question about fixing it.

Currently PacificHost and MyISP are looking into things trying to figure it out.. I don't utilize Google services in any way and I'm not sure where they come into things. I think everyone I'm trying to e-mail is using G-Mail as their client application and G-mail relies on blacklists like Spamhaus-ZEN and Tiopan which the IP is currently listed on. Also, people who actually can receive e-mail from me are saying it goes directly to their spam folders.
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AH, you should be using port 587 for outgoing SMTP.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by error10;12965028 
AH, you should be using port 587 for outgoing SMTP.

I don't think that's it.. I've tried everything configuration wise less point towards MyISP SMTP server as I have no clue what the login information is. While I have great speed from MyISP (FTTH) they have no form of support outside of business hours or on weekends. gunner2.gif I did speak with them multiple times Friday as a senior engineer was looking into it but I'm just counting the minutes. My web host Pacific Host is still working on things from their end but the last I heard they were still waiting for Google to respond. From what I've read online Google won't respond.. So I'm at a loss and I cannot send any outgoing e-mails out.
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Ah, I see the problem is with Pacific Host. They aren't using the standard port 587.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by error10;12984938 
Ah, I see the problem is with Pacific Host. They aren't using the standard port 587.

They still accept e-mail from clients over standard ports, I've tried them all. Pacifichost says my dedicated IP won't save me from the shared IP of the box the site is hosted on in regards to mail servers.. I ran the shared IP through MXToolBox and it isn't listed either.. I'm at a loss and neither my web host or my ISP have any clue or are any closer to returning my ability to send outgoing e-mails.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by error10;12965028 
AH, you should be using port 587 for outgoing SMTP.

????

It depends on the mail service he is using. Port 587 is not a mail port.

Typical mail ports are 25 for SMTP, 110 for POP3.


submission587/tcp Submission
submission587/udp Submission


http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers




OP the problem is identified in the response Google sent you.

SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
host aspmx.l.google.com [209.XX.XXX.XX](Google IP): 550-5.7.1 [69.XX.XX.XX 1] (Shared Hosting Nameserver IP) Our system has detected an unusual rate of unsolicited
550-5.7.1 mail originating from your IP address. To protect our users from
550-5.7.1 spam, mail sent from your IP address has been blocked. Please visit

What this is saying, the IP of the Server you use for mail is known to have been used for spam, not necessarily from your domain.

Solution change mail servers. check godaddy not sure the cost difference from what you currently use. Features I can say that I use with them for mine, webmail, Outlook and Blackberry. Also I have never received a message reply like you have received.
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post #9 of 24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bratas;13009242 
OP the problem is identified in the response Google sent you.

SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
host aspmx.l.google.com [209.XX.XXX.XX](Google IP): 550-5.7.1 [69.XX.XX.XX 1] (Shared Hosting Nameserver IP) Our system has detected an unusual rate of unsolicited
550-5.7.1 mail originating from your IP address. To protect our users from
550-5.7.1 spam, mail sent from your IP address has been blocked. Please visit

What this is saying, the IP of the Server you use for mail is known to have been used for spam, not necessarily from your domain.

Solution change mail servers. check godaddy not sure the cost difference from what you currently use. Features I can say that I use with them for mine, webmail, Outlook and Blackberry. Also I have never received a message reply like you have received.

Recently I learned that the dedicated IP I pay my web host for doesn't actually protect me from MX blacklists like I thought. As it turns out we're still bound by the IP of the box itself, or at least this was how it was explained to me. My objection with your explanation is that both the IP of the shared box, and the dedicated IP I pay for are not blacklisted. I don't think it's the mail server, I'm almost positive it's MyISP.
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[69.XX.XX.XX 1] (Shared Hosting Nameserver IP) that is the IP that is blacklisted
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