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You really haven't seen error10's little satire on windows then and probably haven't used Linux in a long time.

For me. It took less than 30mins to set up everything in Linux (Kubuntu in this example). Why because it fetched or already setup the drivers for all the hardware that I have.
With windows it take 30mins to just install the OS.

Dependency hell? What exactly where you doing that got you to that point? Adding in random ppas and repos?
I'm not really interested in "little satires" as credible sources of information on operating systems, sorry. I don't think anyone else is either. And yeah, I believe you. I believe that it took YOU less than 30 minutes. How long it takes the average joe, is a different story.

Oh and I used lucid for about 8 months so I don't know if that qualifies as "a long time" or not.
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How long it takes the average joe, is a different story.
How long it takes the average Joe to set up any operating system from scratch is usually measured in weeks, not minutes.
    
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Hmmm, not a huge fan of the Unity UI, but considering how much I change the default Gnome UI, I will probably be changing it up quite a bit. I wouldn't say it is bad necessarily to begin with anyway.

And personally I am just fine with them trying new stuff all the time, while some will be failures, some will be successes. And in general there will be somebody out there who will bring the classic theme out for it.
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I'm not really interested in "little satires" as credible sources of information on operating systems, sorry. I don't think anyone else is either. And yeah, I believe you. I believe that it took YOU less than 30 minutes. How long it takes the average joe, is a different story.

Oh and I used lucid for about 8 months so I don't know if that qualifies as "a long time" or not.
I've actually had a lot of success lately with "average joes" and Linux. The only failing is that even after they get to liking it and using it without problems they go back to windows from habit. In fact I think most people are simply too afraid of things (as they always have been) when they don't understand them. And that's the brilliance of windows and macs is that they play on people's fears from ignorance both to keep them using it or to prevent them from leaving it.

It's also ignorance that has allowed Ubuntu to be viewed as the only option for Linux especially in terms of ease. I'm bumping this because I think people need to know that if you don't like Ubuntu and its direction you have not only it's derivatives; but many other distros to choose from. Linux is about freedom of choice and I'm starting to think that people don't care about that.
     
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What's in your coffee today.. Never Mind.. Maybe "Narwhal" means light in some Zambezi village.. Oops.. Did I say Zambezi.. Ohh come Bulldozer Please.
It's funny when the only thing you want to hear about is Bulldozer...



I feel your pain.... truly...
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This might sounds shallow but the lack of window snap was my big turn off from ubuntu, maybe I'll try it now with this new interface.
"windows snap" has been in kde for quite some time in 4.4 to 4.6 it was greatly improved and imho is a lot better than the one in windows (as it works on dual monitor setups.) in 4.6, they added it where it is capable of doing quarter screen size instead of the standard side by side like windows "aero snap" can do...

been using KDE for the last 8 or 9 months, it is hard to tell who is stealing from who

KDE 4.5 had a lot of optimization in it, and greatly improved stability over its previous versions, after a few years, the KDE team finally got its act together and brought forth what they promised when they released 4.0 (which was a disaster tbh, but the devoted stuck with it and now are being rewarded with a great Desktop package.)

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Yeah but instead of devoting those resources to releasing a new, seemingly unnecessary version, couldn't those like Ubuntu just support the ones they had already made, for longer? Wouldn't that work out better than: Hurry up and release a new one, support for a little while, then hurry and get the next one out? Perhaps I should just consider totally new versions to be the updates I'm looking for? Even then it gets really old really fast having to install a new OS every time they come out with a new release. I think they should just add the content they want, to the current OS, for longer. Then they wouldn't have to worry about their resources as much, and each version would be a very good version. Even if they were 6 years apart.

This.
you are speaking of debians stable model, it was one of the reasons why ubuntu was started, was cause of debians extremely slow release cycles from testing->unstable->stable.

one could say in Open Source, nothing is really ever out of "beta" and they don't typically have what you would consider a standard "release" model either.

as for the deficiencies with linux, well, all i can say, its not for everyone...i rarely run into problems any more once i understood it more and how it is all pieced together, and that for some is too much work, and windows and mac osx is for them then.

linux itself and the distro's now are in a very fast development cycle, i would honestly say more in the last 4 years has been accomplished for it, than the previous 10 years, who knows where or what it will be in another 4 years, lots of big names have a stake in linux, google, ibm, hp, dell, intel,ect...its a very exciting time to be honest, and things will only get better imo and i'm sorry you have had a difficult time with it, to each his own.

as your comments about "depency hell", not sure what you were trying to do or what repo's you were grabbing your packages from, but i installed close to 400 packages on my system, and haven't had a "dependency" problem in about 2 years out of the standard repo's, i have had them from backport and 3rd party repo's, usually it is a simply fix, but nothing that has completely wrecked my system, if anything, i've suffered the "dll hell" (pretty much the same thing) in windows far more often in the last few years, but windows 7 did improve their side by side but at the cost of used space by 15 to 20 times over xp....linux deploys a slightly less space hogging technique, that none of the distro's quite have gotten right, and i doubt they ever will...but that is the price you pay for managed distro's, letting automation handle it for you, you can always try slackware which doesn't have any dependency resolution in its package manager, if you want to try to the extreme opposite.
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"windows snap" has been in kde for quite some time in 4.4 to 4.6 it was greatly improved and imho is a lot better than the one in windows (as it works on dual monitor setups.) in 4.6, they added it where it is capable of doing quarter screen size instead of the standard side by side like windows "aero snap" can do...
Ya, I remember a Linux enthusiast coworker of mine showing me that over two years ago. It was and is better than Windows snap. I still think Acer Gridvista is much better than snap as well and use that a lot still. That's been out even longer.
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Ya, I remember a Linux enthusiast coworker of mine showing me that over two years ago. It was and is better than Windows snap. I still think Acer Gridvista is much better than snap as well and use that a lot still. That's been out even longer.
yeah i know some will swear that KDE had this feature first, but i honestly think that it was "borrowed", cause i don't remember it being in 4.2 or 4.3 and 4.4 i do believe came out after windows 7 had released.

also in kde its not called "snap", snap in kde/gnome, is slightly different it is how the windows will react to each other when they are brought close to each other (if you go to line them up and it get it close enough, they will "snap" together on their borders, it makes manually tiling easier if you're not using a tiling manager).

i do like how KDE has improved upon the feature, as windows 7 has not. i like the half and quarter splits it can do (in version 4.6) and the dual monitor support. at any rate, which ever side stole it from one another, i'm glad they did, as it makes things better in both OS's

as for the acer gridvista, does it only work in vista or can you use it on 7? cause i looked it up, it sounds like it is more like the KDE feature, where it can do the half/quarter splits (might have to try it out on 7 to see if it can handle the dual monitor border as a "snap" point.)
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It's also ignorance that has allowed Ubuntu to be viewed as the only option for Linux especially in terms of ease. I'm bumping this because I think people need to know that if you don't like Ubuntu and its direction you have not only it's derivatives; but many other distros to choose from. Linux is about freedom of choice and I'm starting to think that people don't care about that.
That's all I've heard about linux since the about the year 2001. When does that excuse run out? Everyone blames it on the "ignorance" of others when it comes to why more people don't adopt linux. Sorry but that only goes so far. Don't get me wrong, I like linux a lot but I just refuse to be a fanboy of anything. I'll actually see and consider disadvantages, instead of just trying to explain them away or blame them on others.
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That's all I've heard about linux since the about the year 2001. When does that excuse run out? Everyone blames it on the "ignorance" of others when it comes to why more people don't adopt linux. Sorry but that only goes so far. Don't get me wrong, I like linux a lot but I just refuse to be a fanboy of anything. I'll actually see and consider disadvantages, instead of just trying to explain them away or blame them on others.
I like Linux a lot too, and only go into Windows when I am forced to by certain programs. But Linux has some serious issues it needs to address before it can be a viable option for the general public.

For example, Wi-Fi compatibility or Flash stability. These aren't minor features either. Regular people want to pull out their laptop/netbook at a cafe and check their stupid farm, or show their friend a funny video on Youtube. Linux also needs one good sound driver instead of many mediocre ones.
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