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Many (but certainly not all) of the "problems with Linux" are really not problems with Linux, but problems with someone else that become a problem for Linux. Wireless and Flash are both in this category.
    
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Installed this last night. If my Steam games worked on it, I'd uninstall Win7. Anyone got any tricks?

EDIT: Talking about the wireless issues. With 10.10, my wireless was EXTREMELY slow. Now it works just as well if not better than Win7.
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I like Linux a lot too, and only go into Windows when I am forced to by certain programs. But Linux has some serious issues it needs to address before it can be a viable option for the general public.

For example, Wi-Fi compatibility or Flash stability. These aren't minor features either. Regular people want to pull out their laptop/netbook at a cafe and check their stupid farm, or show their friend a funny video on Youtube. Linux also needs one good sound driver instead of many mediocre ones.
Not according to all these linux fanboys we have here. According to them, linux is the end all, be all. Its sad when someone like me who doesn't even dislike linux is forced into explaining to people why they shouldn't adopt it. I don't have to explain why they should, we have the fanboys for that. But they come out of the woodwork to tell people its the greatest thing since sliced bread, when that's pretty far from the truth.
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Fanboys of any OS are a problem. One can point out reason for and against adopting any piece of software, because they are all full of flaws, and you need to evaluate your options on a case-by-case basis. There is no overall best, because generalisations like that don't work for complex software used for complex tasks.
    
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Fanboys of any OS are a problem. One can point out reason for and against adopting any piece of software, because they are all full of flaws, and you need to evaluate your options on a case-by-case basis. There is no overall best, because generalisations like that don't work for complex software used for complex tasks.
Isn't that common knowledge?


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I like Linux a lot too, and only go into Windows when I am forced to by certain programs. But Linux has some serious issues it needs to address before it can be a viable option for the general public.

For example, Wi-Fi compatibility or Flash stability. These aren't minor features either. Regular people want to pull out their laptop/netbook at a cafe and check their stupid farm, or show their friend a funny video on Youtube. Linux also needs one good sound driver instead of many mediocre ones.
The wifi thing is driver support unless you really know what you're doing then you can get past it. But I haven't noticed flash issues. I thought they were dealt with already? Sound however does need something done.


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Not according to all these linux fanboys we have here. According to them, linux is the end all, be all. Its sad when someone like me who doesn't even dislike linux is forced into explaining to people why they shouldn't adopt it. I don't have to explain why they should, we have the fanboys for that. But they come out of the woodwork to tell people its the greatest thing since sliced bread, when that's pretty far from the truth.
OK. So you're against Linux? I'm confused?
Just give people the pros and cons is all I'm saying. But they do need to hear about it in general. So many think there is only windows or mac. It's quite sad.

So for me. Windows is when I'm lazy or need to game. I know I can probably do more of those things in Linux but since I got Windows for free (legally people) why not use it for where it has the unfair advantage?
     
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God bless Ubuntu!

Short story: Jesus, Windows is a mess! On a rater newish laptop, specs-wise, I picked up in January at MicroCenter I got Windows 7 preinstalled. All was fine, except I was using the darn thing for things where speed of execution was very important (trading on the go). Dear god! It would take up to 7 or 8 minutes, measured, to connect to a WiFi hot-spot. Not to mention minutes upon minutes wasted on boot time, and/or recovery from sleep/hibernation. No amount of tweaking could fix this. After some research I realized this was a Windows 7 networking layer issue and not a driver thing, as per various reports on the web. We are talking about 10-12 minutes from opening that lid to being able to place orders online. 10-12 minutes on the market is an ETERNITY!

I decided to try Linux and see if that would speed up things. Now usually I go straight for OpenSuSE, my distro of choice. However, I figured Ubuntu would be a better fit for a laptop. Anyway, to bring this story to a conclusion, my WiFi Hotspot issues were resolved. Severely! I thought Ubuntu was caching the relevant network information, since it was impassible it could connect that fast, but after trying several different WiFi hot spots I got same results. Under 10 seconds, 10 being the utmost highest number. 480 seconds vs. less than 10? ***?!

While boot times were not that different, (Ubuntu was a bit faster), WiFi connectivity was several THOUSAND percent faster.

I installed Ubuntu on that laptop out of curiosity, never thinking it would improve things much. I figured any WiFi connectivity fixes would be offset by other hardware problems, Ubuntu quirkiness and what-not. I was wrong.

To summarize, Ballmer needs to go. Microsoft needs a paradigm shfit as of yesterday, which is a term microsofties love to use (Bill Gates favorite). Using WindowsOS had one benefit in the business world, guarantee of hardware compatibility and smooth performance of said hardware. Over the years I've seen this pillar degraded. The bloatification of the NT platform and failure of .NET didn't help things. It's not so much that the Linux as a platform is getting better (it is), the Windows platform seems to be getting worse.


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God bless Ubuntu!

Short story: Jesus, Windows is a mess! On a rater newish laptop, specs-wise, I picked up in January at MicroCenter I got Windows 7 preinstalled. All was fine, except I was using the darn thing for things where speed of execution was very important (trading on the go). Dear god! It would take up to 7 or 8 minutes, measured, to connect to a WiFi hot-spot. Not to mention minutes upon minutes wasted on boot time, and/or recovery from sleep/hibernation. No amount of tweaking could fix this. After some research I realized this was a Windows 7 networking layer issue and not a driver thing, as per various reports on the web. We are talking about 10-12 minutes from opening that lid to being able to place orders online. 10-12 minutes on the market is an ETERNITY!
That's just your particular crappy laptop. The GF just bought a new HP and it connects in about 3 seconds. Same for my buddy who recently got a new dell laptop.
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Pointless release. Although Ubuntu Linux is nice, they can learn from Kubuntu or Xubuntu.
Do you realize how moronic your post is?
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Pointless release. Although Ubuntu Linux is nice, they can learn from Kubuntu or Xubuntu.
^you do realize that Ubuntu is the official release, and that Kubuntu and Xubuntu only debut a week or more after a new Ubuntu emerges, and nothing really stops you from downloading Ubuntu, if you don't like gnome, that you can reinstall an alternative DE like KDE or XFCE (the desktops that seperate the (K) and (X) releases.), you don't have to download and install separately them.

it isn't really a "pointless" release, you have to understand ubuntu's release cycle, apparently you don't, they have LTS (long term support releases) and then their every 6 month release, 8.04 was the previous LTS, which was supported for 3 years for desktop, 5 years for server, 10.04 is the current LTS, 10.10 is their current 6 month release. each six month release, is more or less, a "beta" building towards the next LTS, which will more than likely be 12.10 or 13.04.

so with the flexibility of their short term release cycle, allows them to test a broad scope of things, to see how they work out, as there have been things added and removed from each short term version, for various reasons. there might not be any reason to jump thru hoops for each new six month version, if the current you are on is working just fine, they do have support for a year and a half on them.

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God bless Ubuntu!
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That's just your particular crappy laptop. The GF just bought a new HP and it connects in about 3 seconds. Same for my buddy who recently got a new dell laptop.
i would have to agree with benny, i would say something is serious wrong with your router, not handling DHCP very well, if it is taking 10 minutes to connect...i would bet dollar to donuts if you were to statically set up your wifi, it would connect instantly and you wouldn't have any dropouts.

i would agree that windows networking is a mess, but not that big of a mess, if it was, there would be TONS more post about similar problems, than just a few that i've seen. it definitely sounds like a DHCP problem, as both OS's handling it differently...and a lot of it does sound like a driver issue and not windows "network layer"...so i would check the router, see if it is setup correctly first, then try updating the drivers before claiming the ultimate glory of linux, just makes you sound ignorant tbh. (and i am a linux user)
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My WiFi and my router? Nope. You didn't read it carefully. I said WiFi hot spots at least few times. By that I meant hot spots around a large multi-million metro area. Starbucks, fast-food eatiers, etc. As for the "crappy" laptop, mine is HP as well. Pretty good specs, plenty of RAM, heck Ubuntu seems to fly on it. No this is, well was, a WinOS issue.
    
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