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Linux also needs one good sound driver instead of many mediocre ones.
What do you mean by this? OSS4 is far superior to any other sound system I've ever heard, it may not be as loud as Windows' one but it has far higher quality, support is very good unless you plan to use a dedicated sound card as far as I know. I've installed Linux on many machines and all have worked pretty muchy out of the box.

Assuming Shaman is telling the truth about the 10 minutes (Whether that's an exaggeration or not) it simply means that either the Windows driver is worse than the Linux one or there is a problem with the Windows networking stack.

Considering how much of a PITA the WiFi on my mums computer can be, I could believe him too, but then OTOH, my Samsung laptop works fine and quite easily with the same WiFi.
    
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My WiFi and my router? Nope. You didn't read it carefully. I said WiFi hot spots at least few times. By that I meant hot spots around a large multi-million metro area. Starbucks, fast-food eatiers, etc. As for the "crappy" laptop, mine is HP as well. Pretty good specs, plenty of RAM, heck Ubuntu seems to fly on it. No this is, well was, a WinOS issue.
Its an issue that most people don't have then. I've opened brand new laptops that connect in 3 or 4 seconds after they start trying to. Sounds more like operator error, I'm afraid. Don't know why you would be having this trouble when other people don't. I've certainly never had it and I have to surf through multiple routers and connect every day when I get to work.
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I stand by what I've been saying for years.....Get RID OF XORG. Seriously. It's clunky as hell, and is the main reason for Window Manager crashes.

I've always been an anti-ubuntu person (I like me some plain Debian, but I've been using Linux Mint Debian edition as of late). However, if Ubuntu switches to Wayland and can make it work well, I may have to give it a trial run.
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I rather stick with Ubuntu v10 as Classic desktop!
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Not according to all these linux fanboys we have here. According to them, linux is the end all, be all. Its sad when someone like me who doesn't even dislike linux is forced into explaining to people why they shouldn't adopt it. I don't have to explain why they should, we have the fanboys for that. But they come out of the woodwork to tell people its the greatest thing since sliced bread, when that's pretty far from the truth.
Jesus, dude...you need to go outside and chill for a minute. Every post in this thread has bashed the operating system and/or the poster who praised Ubuntu. Then, you claim that Linux users consider Linux perfect (generalization).

I dual boot Windows 7 and Linux Mint (simplistic) and unless I'm gaming or developing for the web, I'm pretty much only using Mint. People use whatever they're more comfortable with or like more. I prefer Mint because it's faster, more efficient, and I never having my desktop freeze (which happens every time I try to close multiple Firefox sessions).
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I stand by what I've been saying for years.....Get RID OF XORG. Seriously. It's clunky as hell, and is the main reason for Window Manager crashes.

I've always been an anti-ubuntu person (I like me some plain Debian, but I've been using Linux Mint Debian edition as of late). However, if Ubuntu switches to Wayland and can make it work well, I may have to give it a trial run.
xorg sadly will have a home in linux for quite some time, even after most distro's switch to wayland, as it wont "replace" xorg, xorg will more than like run inside it for "legacy" support...will be interesting to see what wayland has in store for us in the near future (fedora has also said they will be going to wayland shortly after ubuntu, so if you like fedora better, might consider them...as it might take debian another 3 to 6 years before they adopt it )
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xorg sadly will have a home in linux for quite some time, even after most distro's switch to wayland, as it wont "replace" xorg, xorg will more than like run inside it for "legacy" support...will be interesting to see what wayland has in store for us in the near future (fedora has also said they will be going to wayland shortly after ubuntu, so if you like fedora better, might consider them...as it might take debian another 3 to 6 years before they adopt it )
Yea but, Wayland is currently targeted to have zero Nvidia proprietary support...and AMD Catalyst for Linux is downright awful on the best of days. Xorg will be with us for a long time if for no other reason than driver support.
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Yea but, Wayland is currently targeted to have zero Nvidia proprietary support...and AMD Catalyst for Linux is downright awful on the best of days. Xorg will be with us for a long time if for no other reason than driver support.
yep. hopefully if fedora/redhat along with ubuntu jump on it, might make amd and nvidia wake up to the need for one...but then again, you never know nouveau might actually be totally awesome for wayland...
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Yea but, Wayland is currently targeted to have zero Nvidia proprietary support
I seriously doubt that NVIDIA will ignore Wayland after Ubuntu and Fedora pick it up. They'd be screwing the majority of desktop Linux users in the process. Fedora is one of the most popular distros and Ubuntu is the most popular, but don't forget that Ubuntu also has hundreds of derivatives (including Mint, which is in the top handful in popularity as well). Public pressure will change their mind. Sure it won't be like them refusing to support Windows 8, but it could still cause them a miniature PR nightmare.
    
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nVidia support is pretty decent on the Linux platform as a whole. This ain't 2003, the old dark days. I actually benchmarked driver performance on WinXP, Vista, and Linux back few years ago when driver version was 177.xx or some such (2009?) and Linux came on top in quite a few of them, even when running non-native benchmarks like 3DMark 2001 and 2003, courtesy of Wine and PlayOnLinux. This was back THEN, I can't imagine they got any worse.

As for WiFi issues on Windows 7, it is well known that networking on NT 6.x has been flaky from the day first beta's of Vista came out to the latest patched version of Windows 7. Bugs, glitches, and general networking stack douchery have been well document. Heck, countless threads on this forum are a testament to that, although I've never seen it this bad, as I did on my laptop. Hilarious that a totally unsported OS, with a totally unsupported driver would work fine, yet Microsoft who spend 10 billion dollars (US) on research and development per YEAR, ($9.5 bil for 2010, link) couldn't get it right.


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