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Im curious to know: has anyone gotten a letter from AT&T explaining the usage caps? I thought they were supposed to come at the end of March, but my family never received one (at least not that I saw)

Hmm. Another good argument against the caps I just read about was cloud computing/cloud storage options. What happens when I need to back up 250GB worth of stuff to the cloud? I really hope the right people are getting up in arms against AT&T on this thing. I needs to fail, and it needs to fail hard
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By that statement... You do not understand how insurance rates are calculated then.

Look up what actuaries do.... It is risk analysis.
You do not understand how hard Canadians get hosed for insurance.

For instance, I am 21, did all the graduated licensing business, had driving classes, no tickets or crashes, and drive a 1.5l Hyundai Accent 2 door. For absolute basic insurance, no coverage on the car, or anything, just the bare minimum, I have to pay $230/month.
    
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Im curious to know: has anyone gotten a letter from AT&T explaining the usage caps? I thought they were supposed to come at the end of March, but my family never received one (at least not that I saw)

Hmm. Another good argument against the caps I just read about was cloud computing/cloud storage options. What happens when I need to back up 250GB worth of stuff to the cloud? I really hope the right people are getting up in arms against AT&T on this thing. I needs to fail, and it needs to fail hard
When Frontier tried to impose a 5GB and later a 100GB cap on their landline DSL customers, cloud services (provided by Frontier) did not count towards allowances. I imagine 3rd party services not offered by ATT would count towards the cap.

Being real though, I think the amount of people who would use cloud storage that excessively out numbers the amount of people who would even use 250gb month
 
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@angrysasquatch: Its because your avatar is The Stig. They know

@theonedub: Yes, cloud services provided by them. Which is anti-competition
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By that statement... You do not understand how insurance rates are calculated then.

Look up what actuaries do.... It is risk analysis.

I'm not very experienced with this, so do correct me if I'm wrong:

He's claiming that buying insurance on products. In some cases it makes more sense to get insurance - these are typically the most expensive of items which you may not be able to just "buy another" of if something were to go wrong and can't really live without. Health insurance, for example, might be a good thing to have. But in smaller things, like consumer electronics, I'm not following your argument (and, again, I could simply be misunderstanding it).

What I mean is that there's an industry related to insurance. There are many people hired and paid to work on cases having to do with insurance on smaller household items.

Is the sum total of all money spent on insurance not greater than the sum total cost of replacing these items? Does not some of this income, the money spent on insurance, have to pay for the offices, the insurer's wages, and so on? I understand what actuaries do, but they do so to balance profit toward a company to some degree. At the very least to make enough money to survive (though more often to strive and profit).

I only know one person who's studying actuarial science, but I do know several others in math majors; I don't have a good sample size - it's very small, one of the reasons I asked you to excuse me if I'm wrong - but I can say without doubt that most of them tend to buy much less insurance (along with extended warranties, etc.) than the average person that I know.
    
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"Enormous Profits"?

Comcast, for example, returned 33 cents a share on a $25 stock in its best quarter last year. Infrastructure costs money, bandwidth costs money, and they will always cost money. Don't confuse revenue and profit-- The pricing scheme is irrelevant.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/...6122LS20100203
Isn't that more due to cable customers leaving?

and isn't that still almost a billion in profit?
    
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Still waiting for someone like Henry Ford to come along and knock all the ISPs on their asses.
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it's the same with cellphones. Telecommunication infrastructure costs billions to set up so don't expect anything to be free, people are getting smarter and streaming videos more often so unless you want a slow, crappy internet experience due to out-dated technology. After all, we're just tax payers whose money goes to other needy people.
    
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I think it mostly has to do with lost customers in the cable sector more than anything. Almost any telecommunications business these days needs to offer, phone, cable and internet to compete with the competition alone (bundles). But what is one of the most over-charged wasteful services that they make tons of profit off of?

Cable. Cable is one of the best cash grabbing schemes. Theres a very limited amount of content that most people want to watch, and before internet services were able to replace them, Cable (and sat) were the only ways to go. And for the 5-6 channels you actually want, you have to buy a tier for each, because they are strategically designed to make people need more "tiers" to get what they want. I was paying $80 month for my cable alone, and I watched only 3 shows on TV, my gf watched a few, but I've found sources for her online and we now watch 99% of our TV on the computer (with a long hdmi cable to the tv and wireless kb/mouse. Don't need a dedicated HDTV, so this works just as good).

If I only ever turn on 3 stations, why am I FORCED to pay for 70-100 other stations I will NEVER even flip past (I hate flipping, online TV guide is much faster).

This is what its all about. These companies are terrified at losing all this easy cash. Millions of people are handing over money for a service they don't use or need most of the time and paying for lots of extras they don't want. The internet allows us to pay for only what we want or need, and this is what has these companies up in arms, and why they are scrambling to cripple internet services before its too late and to increase their profits. This gives them time to come up with better alternatives themselves, and a way to control you and keep your money in their pockets, nothing else.
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the lower the profits, the better
Why? Your 401K/IRA is largely dependent on successful corporations. If they fail, you retire in a tent. I'm willing to bet that 99% of the people here who want "evil" corporations to fail are living sheltered in high school or college.

Anyway, nice article OP. The author makes a lot of valid points.
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