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nor i. they are cheap and don't want to take responsibility for their actions. i went into the office where we had signed up to complain and the guy didn't think it was an easy thing to do to DL 150GB in a month, and i told him i pulled 25GB in 2 days downloading Crysis 2 and Empire Total War.

i hope this gets stopped somehow.

i wouldn't care if we had uverse and the cap was 250 GB but as we don't have uverse available and are starting out with credit we can't get direct TV due to exorbitant pricing and so internet TV is the only way to go, along with free to air.
Yep, I bought Medal of Honor, Crysis 2, and Homefront all in one month. There goes ~40GB. Not to mention I pulled down 120GB from my ftp server over the past few nights.
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IDK why some of you are arguing for internet caps, come on we already pay x amount for the service and now you wanna charge me again for using x amount come on people. These caps are basically to make extreme profit and to literally rape the consumers.
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how would they even get a hold of that info or care?
IDK but I left all of my contact info and I guess the FCC contacted AT&T about it because the lady said she was from AT&T.
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First my stance on caps with internet usage is that I am FIRMLY against it. The larger ISP companies do NOT incur cost fluctuations relative to what they are trying to pass on to the consumer with the billing plans. We're talking around maybe $1-$2 more in ISP cost for a person using more than 1TB of data a month. What a joke. Absurd.

Having said that, this is my personal big beef/gripe with the issue. Currently I feel that ISPs are even a tad out of connection with the majority of internet heavy users in terms of what we download and how much we use a month. All they generally think is that we are a bunch of torrent-humping/jobless-teenagers/freeloaders-pieces-of-trash that try to get **** for free all the time. And I'm so fed up with that type of stereotyping it's not even funny.

I download regularly each month easily over 400GB of data [italics] consistently[/italics] including various distro's of Linux OS's, literally heaps of test files for testing internet dl/up speeds and transferring my own created videos to my friends/families/co-workers. Yes Mine. I provide on average of like 5 - 10 new training videos a month.

What happens when new technologies are discovered and 1 - 2 TB HDD's become more commonplace in machines 2 - 5 years from now? Will the prices change to match the new technologies and resonable demands?

No. The reason why is because the caps they are purposing are completely unreasonable now. They just assume we are all 80 year old ladies that use on average 10GB of data per month except for those evil torrent-humping/jobless-teenagers/freeloaders-pieces-of-trash that make up the minority in their eyes.

So if we see this going though now, just wait in 2 - 5 years when data storage technologies become better and it's extremely commonplace to use perhaps 10TB of data per month.

Lastly in response to those who say "If you use it you should have to pay for it, nothings free" argument, it would be one thing if this one an actual "Hey we're passing the cost on to the consumer" type gig, but it's not. As one poster pointed out earlier this is nothing more than racketeering and I sincerely hope that we get some politicians in America to stand up to this **** and put it down.
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Haha silly 'mericans I guess it's slightly lost in translation. When I say insurance I mean car, house, mortgage and life types of insurance not health.
Now I see the "political" link duckie was warning about.
I mean people paying out thousands and thousands in product insurance that never has any claims yet increases and increases as the scam.

Ahh I needed a good laugh.
You definitely gave me a good laugh since you have no idea what you're talking about

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Not when "People in Authority" force you to buy insurance or be penalized. Thats considered racketeering when the crime syndicate does it.
Since when are we forced to buy insurance?
Edited by Tennobanzai - 4/14/11 at 2:16pm
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I now have the fastest Internet available from Rogers purely for the 175Gb/mo, not the u/d speeds. I pay ******* 99$ CAD a month for internet and $8.99 for Netflix.

I'm sorry but I have very little sympathy for you guys with 250gb caps

Seriously though, UBB is ******* criminal. You guys down south tend to put up with less **** than us.
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First my stance on caps with internet usage is that I am FIRMLY against it. The larger ISP companies do NOT incur cost fluctuations relative to what they are trying to pass on to the consumer with the billing plans. We're talking around maybe $1-$2 more in ISP cost for a person using more than 1TB of data a month. What a joke. Absurd.

Having said that, this is my personal big beef/gripe with the issue. Currently I feel that ISPs are even a tad out of connection with the majority of internet heavy users in terms of what we download and how much we use a month. All they generally think is that we are a bunch of torrent-humping/jobless-teenagers/freeloaders-pieces-of-trash that try to get **** for free all the time. And I'm so fed up with that type of stereotyping it's not even funny.

I download regularly each month easily over 400GB of data [italics] consistently[/italics] including various distro's of Linux OS's, literally heaps of test files for testing internet dl/up speeds and transferring my own created videos to my friends/families/co-workers. Yes Mine. I provide on average of like 5 - 10 new training videos a month.

What happens when new technologies are discovered and 1 - 2 TB HDD's become more commonplace in machines 2 - 5 years from now? Will the prices change to match the new technologies and resonable demands?

No. The reason why is because the caps they are purposing are completely unreasonable now. They just assume we are all 80 year old ladies that use on average 10GB of data per month except for those evil torrent-humping/jobless-teenagers/freeloaders-pieces-of-trash that make up the minority in their eyes.

So if we see this going though now, just wait in 2 - 5 years when data storage technologies become better and it's extremely commonplace to use perhaps 10TB of data per month.

Lastly in response to those who say "If you use it you should have to pay for it, nothings free" argument, it would be one thing if this one an actual "Hey we're passing the cost on to the consumer" type gig, but it's not. As one poster pointed out earlier this is nothing more than racketeering and I sincerely hope that we get some politicians in America to stand up to this **** and put it down.
I don't see any reason it shouldn't be pay per use. It's like electricity... should we all pay the same electric bill despite having vastly different usages?

And you might argue that an electric company can enable/disable electric generators at will to meet demand, which is mostly true, but an ISP must put in place infrastructure to support higher demand, which is kind of like permanently "switching on" another generator. In order to cover those costs, they should up the bill of those who are consuming the majority of the bandwidth that caused them to have to do an infrastructure upgrade in the first place.

Give me internet with:
$0.10/GB downloaded
$10 base fee each month
50/10 speeds.

...and I'd be a happy camper.
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Data caps are bull feces. I don't mind paying for my internet, but data caps are just a scam to pull in extra profit. I have a AT&T 3G wireless card I use when I'm away from a hotspot and got charged ~$80 for exceeding my monthly allowable bandwidth (with an UNLIMITED PLAN) and I didn't even get a warning or anything about it. To make matters worse, I already pay ~80 for the service to begin with. What the hell is going on? I had an Alltel 3G wireless card, paid ~50 a month for it and had UNLIMITED access. Now AT&T buys out Alltel and I'm forced to deal with their crap? Something has to be done about usage based billing. I can understand if you pay on the basis of usage, however if you have an "Unlimited" plan you better damn well be receiving UNLIMITED instead of this scandalous "Unlimited until you reach 2GB of data transfer" Bull.

It's horrible. And to make things worse ISPs throttle you, and limit your transfer rate when they see fit. I'm not paying ~120 a month so you can just jerk me around! I want my 12MBPS down and 1MBPS up. I can understand actually getting 11, maybe even 10. Line conditions may vary. But throttling me to 4MBPS down 112KBPS up is UNACCEPTABLE.

Thankfully, the Monopoly around here for ISP and Cable is ending soon now that another company is coming in.

It's sickening how these companies get away with this. I understand I have to pay for my services, but I draw the line at capping my data! I'll willingly pay a little more if I have to! You don't need to cap me off and overcharge me!

Put simply It's a SCAM! It benefits them and only them.
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I don't see any reason it shouldn't be pay per use. It's like electricity... should we all pay the same electric bill despite having vastly different usages?

And you might argue that an electric company can enable/disable electric generators at will to meet demand, which is mostly true, but an ISP must put in place infrastructure to support higher demand, which is kind of like permanently "switching on" another generator. In order to cover those costs, they should up the bill of those who are consuming the majority of the bandwidth that caused them to have to do an infrastructure upgrade in the first place.

Give me internet with:
$0.10/GB downloaded
$10 base fee each month
50/10 speeds.

...and I'd be a happy camper.
I would probably not have too much trouble with $0.10 per gigabyte, but do you really think these companies can think in numbers that small? no.

If anything they will look at how people pay for established pay-as-you go Cellular internet services, where a $20 card might get you 5GB of data or less. they'll look at that and think they can charge just as much, especially because of the lack of competition (which is why the US is in this mess to begin with, because the isp's sued/bribed against fairness/competition regulations)

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Data caps are bull feces. I don't mind paying for my internet, but data caps are just a scam to pull in extra profit. I have a AT&T 3G wireless card I use when I'm away from a hotspot and got charged ~$80 for exceeding my monthly allowable bandwidth (with an UNLIMITED PLAN) and I didn't even get a warning or anything about it. To make matters worse, I already pay ~80 for the service to begin with. What the hell is going on? I had an Alltel 3G wireless card, paid ~50 a month for it and had UNLIMITED access. Now AT&T buys out Alltel and I'm forced to deal with their crap? Something has to be done about usage based billing. I can understand if you pay on the basis of usage, however if you have an "Unlimited" plan you better damn well be receiving UNLIMITED instead of this scandalous "Unlimited until you reach 2GB of data transfer" Bull.

It's horrible. And to make things worse ISPs throttle you, and limit your transfer rate when they see fit. I'm not paying ~120 a month so you can just jerk me around! I want my 12MBPS down and 1MBPS up. I can understand 11, maybe even 10. But throttling me to 4MBPS down 112KBPS up is UNACCEPTABLE.

Thankfully, the Monopoly around here for ISP and Cable is ending soon now that another company is coming in.

It's sickening how these companies get away with this. I understand I have to pay for my services, but I draw the line at capping my data! I'll willingly pay a little more if I have to! You don't need to cap me off and overcharge me!

Put simply It's a SCAM! It benefits them and only them.
I Agree. Just another way for them to get more money without actually innovating......
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Bell internet.
2MB up, 800Kb down.
$34.95. 2gigs $2.50/per gig.


I might aswell live in a virtual world if its going to cost more than mortgage and car payments.

Internet is the biggest rip off other than gas here in Canada.
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