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Quit your blat-assing and get back to work EDGE, no more Scrubs for you

We both know it's because a larger majority of your customers are idiots. You've given them instructions on how to fix it and they cant manage to follow your directions into safe mode. I honestly how they manage to put their underwear on the right way in the morning. Remember that one i had to make a list of Tempest_Inc's approved Porn sites b/c he got his machine infected 3 times in one week.

on a side note... see ya tonight
 
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post #12 of 92
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i wish i could reproduce the symptoms on my test machine but i just can't.

i understand the human error in all of this, and i'm sure these people know what they did when the infection started, but no one is willing to admit it.

what gets me is when i scan the drive on another machine, SE pics it up right away. when these fake AV's run the first time, are they running some script that bypasses the AV or tricks in to thinking it's a legit piece of code? when it's accessed on a different machine it's not actually being executed the same way it would be on the infected machine, maybe thats why SE picks it up when it won't see it on the host machine...

i'm trying to understand the mechanics of the virus so i can help stop it BEFORE it becomes a problem. i'm also sick of my repeat customers blaming me for not making their PC secure enough when i do everything i know how to do, right down to giving them a detailed walk through on how to use their AV and how to run malwarebytes. then when they come back they say "it said malwarebytes couldn't run" so i follow our directions i gave the customer and it runs just fine, so i know they aren't even trying.

and don't get me wrong, i know people aren't going to know all the tech details of the inner workings of a computer, if they did i wouldn't have a job. but the guys that keep stepping in to this stuff then refuse to take any responsibility and put any effort towards trying to clean it up with the tools i provide for them, then look at me like i'm incompetent.

the new thing is this TDSS Rootkit most commonly known as Auleron which infects the MBR, it's such terrible code that half the machines it infects it just kills the boot loader and you end up with a BSOD (i say terrible because it's counter productive to the fake AV who wants a credit card number, can't get that if you can't even boot into windows)

more often than not, i clean the machine and don't see these people again unless there is another issue (hardware failure, they want a new computer/second computer etc.)

but the handful of repeat customers are the ones that bug me...
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i started seeing these late 2007 early 2008. They almost always try and appear like microsfot windows in one way or another. Specifically where (originate) i couldnt tell you. But it first pops up looking like "my computer" (in a browser window) and it appears to be scanning drives. That prompts the website to state that virus' have been found, and you need to download their FREE software. its all over then. Generally its customer incompetence. my gf called me the other day hysterically as she had just gotten the browser scare and knew what it led to. she said she closed it asap and because of that, shes fine. Xp had, and still has a security flaw letting the bugger in. Vista i think fixed it, therfore putting the blame on the user not closign it and actually installing it. win7 is the same, its user error.

im hardly going to complain, but sense installing super anti spyware paid edition on customers computers, not a SINGLE has called me back because of that error. And i had one customer that had gotten it 4 times before finally allowing me to install some sort of AV.

mid 2010 a customer had MSE that failed to kill it, or clean it despite updates.
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post #14 of 92
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Originally Posted by edgemaster191 View Post
i wish i could reproduce the symptoms on my test machine but i just can't.

i understand the human error in all of this, and i'm sure these people know what they did when the infection started, but no one is willing to admit it.

what gets me is when i scan the drive on another machine, SE pics it up right away. when these fake AV's run the first time, are they running some script that bypasses the AV or tricks in to thinking it's a legit piece of code? when it's accessed on a different machine it's not actually being executed the same way it would be on the infected machine, maybe thats why SE picks it up when it won't see it on the host machine...

i'm trying to understand the mechanics of the virus so i can help stop it BEFORE it becomes a problem. i'm also sick of my repeat customers blaming me for not making their PC secure enough when i do everything i know how to do, right down to giving them a detailed walk through on how to use their AV and how to run malwarebytes. then when they come back they say "it said malwarebytes couldn't run" so i follow our directions i gave the customer and it runs just fine, so i know they aren't even trying.

and don't get me wrong, i know people aren't going to know all the tech details of the inner workings of a computer, if they did i wouldn't have a job. but the guys that keep stepping in to this stuff then refuse to take any responsibility and put any effort towards trying to clean it up with the tools i provide for them, then look at me like i'm incompetent.

the new thing is this TDSS Rootkit most commonly known as Auleron which infects the MBR, it's such terrible code that half the machines it infects it just kills the boot loader and you end up with a BSOD (i say terrible because it's counter productive to the fake AV who wants a credit card number, can't get that if you can't even boot into windows)

more often than not, i clean the machine and don't see these people again unless there is another issue (hardware failure, they want a new computer/second computer etc.)

but the handful of repeat customers are the ones that bug me...
just go on some porn streaming sites and click on some links, wont take long to get infected
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just go on some porn streaming sites and click on some links, wont take long to get infected


And rogue software is honestly some of the worst crap to remove, man. I feel for you.
post #16 of 92
Most of the time it's a popup in which you try to close it setup to exec. Your AV wont catch it because you allowed the change. Most people see a red x and press it to close, in which it installs. Easy way to close with out executing the file is Alt Ctrl Dlt and close your internet browser.
    
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Suggest your clients to shut down Windows when one of these popups comes up. That's the only way I've managed to avoid this bugger. One more suggestion. Make a clone of the infected drive before you start fiddling with it. Some of these hijackers actually put a ransom on your client's data and have failsafes in place to corrupt the data if you cut the wrong wire.
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just go on some porn streaming sites and click on some links, wont take long to get infected
Thats hardly it. My parents got it, yes their not computer smart, from a coin website as their avid coin collectors. I just had it pop up the other day while looking for classic vw parts. Ive had it pop up before while looking at old telefunken radios. I want to say the server is infected and the site is genuine, but at the same time, i doubt it and i think its simply a ploy to get users their in the first place.

believe it or not porn doesnt seem to be the biggest blame. They provide other malicious software. One customer loves his tranny porn. He downloads movie.exe's and the likes all the time. SAS catches them all though. his quarantine is a collection of eww.
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post #19 of 92
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Quit your blat-assing and get back to work EDGE, no more Scrubs for you

We both know it's because a larger majority of your customers are idiots. You've given them instructions on how to fix it and they cant manage to follow your directions into safe mode. I honestly how they manage to put their underwear on the right way in the morning. Remember that one i had to make a list of Tempest_Inc's approved Porn sites b/c he got his machine infected 3 times in one week.

on a side note... see ya tonight
oh jesus i can't get rid of you can I? and leave my work habits out of this, i get my work done!

trying to get educated up in here, make me better at what i do (i know, hard to imagine being more awesome then i already am)

anywho..on a more serious note, thanks for the replies guys, keep any suggestions you got coming, i'm always looking for more info
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Suggest your clients to shut down Windows when one of these popups comes up. That's the only way I've managed to avoid this bugger. One more suggestion. Make a clone of the infected drive before you start fiddling with it. Some of these hijackers actually put a ransom on your client's data and have failsafes in place to corrupt the data if you cut the wrong wire.
as far as i remember the one ransom note that took over the bootloder was a fail, and a GOOD av could clean that up. simply closing the browser window when it first starts "scanning" is ideal.

here is a screen of one of them. unfortunatly i dont save antyhing as i only work onsite, and i am NOT plugging in my flash drives, cause flash drives can and will carry the system.exe autorun virus.

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