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I was thinking a CH V
I want 990FX

If you think about it, we are due for the 990fx Release. All these people releasing AM3b. I hope MOBO'S(990s) come out soon so I can start this already.
True but they were delayed, apparently chipset issues and I am fed up waiting with this crappy Gigabyte 790GPT-UD3H.

Also I got a 1055t for free! And wanna put it to the test on a CHIV!
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post #102 of 169
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Originally Posted by cayennemist View Post
If this is the case.... WOW things just got flipped up side down.

TBH, buying a new MOBO first makes better sense. drop your PHIIX6 right in
and wait. Save up for the best BD. Then you get all the features (even if it is, just a smog pump).

This way you don't have to worry about popping VRMs.


I still like the Idea of reverse engineering a new driver to see what its all about.
I'm too cheap for a new mobo lol. That's why I'm hoping these old ones will work with bulldozer. Best case scenario for me:
Bulldozer works and MSI supports it
I pop one in and pop my VRMs
I return it MSI and they give me a new model with the good quality VRMs AND 3-way SLI cert AND full support for future BD revisions
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post #103 of 169
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I could post the email but there's a disclaimer in the email that I am not supposed to disclose any of the info.

edit: nvm apparently I deleted the email, send them off an email yourself... they answered in a day.
dude see here:

http://event.asus.com/2011/mb/AM3_PLUS_Ready/

You will note they display a crosshair IV Extreme with a WHITE socket, you will also note they state, unequivocally, that "Current owners of an AM3-based board* will make their AMD 8-Series motherboards compatible with the latest AM3+ CPUs with a simple BIOS** update from the official ASUS website."

And "Current ASUS 890FX and 890GX series motherboards can be upgraded to enjoy the extra performance offered by future AM3+ CPUs."

It's all pretty straight forward. With bios updates, AM3+ CPU's are compatible with AM3 motherboards.
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post #104 of 169
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Originally Posted by Armand Hammer View Post
dude see here:

http://event.asus.com/2011/mb/AM3_PLUS_Ready/

You will note they display a crosshair IV Extreme with a WHITE socket, you will also note they state, unequivocally, that "Current owners of an AM3-based board* will make their AMD 8-Series motherboards compatible with the latest AM3+ CPUs with a simple BIOS** update from the official ASUS website."

And "Current ASUS 890FX and 890GX series motherboards can be upgraded to enjoy the extra performance offered by future AM3+ CPUs."

It's all pretty straight forward. With bios updates, AM3+ CPU's are compatible with AM3 motherboards.
Yes but, as was already mentioned, even though they state unequivocally that "Current ASUS 890FX and 890GX series motherboards can be upgraded to enjoy the extra performance offered by future AM3+ CPUs." they do not state unequivocally that "Current ASUS 890FX and 890GX series motherboards can be upgraded to enjoy the extra performance offered by future Bulldozer CPUs." so they could just be talking about AM3+ revisions of Athlon IIs and Phenom IIs.

EDIT: Just looked closer at the MSI announcement though and they say this:
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City of Industry, CA – April 1, 2011 – Internationally renowned motherboard and graphics card manufacturer MSI has officially announced compatibility with all AMD AM3+ multi-core processors on its AMD AM3 mainboards. By upgrading the BIOS with a few simple steps, users can enjoy the powerful performance of AMD AM3+ multi-core processors without having to purchase a new motherboard.

The brand new AMD AM3+ multi-core processors are built on the latest 32nm process for significant technical specs: additional cores, a larger L3 cache memory capacity, and the built-in 2nd generation Turbo Core technology boosts overall performance. AMD AM3+ multi-core processors will absolutely be the next-generation indicator of performance.
The fact that they say all AM3+ processors is a good omen for us MSI board owners. I hope mine gets added to the list and I hope everyone else that went out and bought one of the listed ASUS boards hoping to be able to drop in a bulldozer chip get their wish too.
Edited by bardacuda - 4/4/11 at 5:42pm
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post #105 of 169
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Originally Posted by tout View Post
I could post the email but there's a disclaimer in the email that I am not supposed to disclose any of the info.

edit: nvm apparently I deleted the email, send them off an email yourself... they answered in a day.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Armand Hammer View Post
dude see here:

http://event.asus.com/2011/mb/AM3_PLUS_Ready/

You will note they display a crosshair IV Extreme with a WHITE socket, you will also note they state, unequivocally, that "Current owners of an AM3-based board* will make their AMD 8-Series motherboards compatible with the latest AM3+ CPUs with a simple BIOS** update from the official ASUS website."

And "Current ASUS 890FX and 890GX series motherboards can be upgraded to enjoy the extra performance offered by future AM3+ CPUs."

It's all pretty straight forward. With bios updates, AM3+ CPU's are compatible with AM3 motherboards.
.... but his email response was from Biostar, not ASUS....
Edited by winginit - 4/4/11 at 5:45pm
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post #106 of 169
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Originally Posted by bardacuda View Post
Yes but, as was already mentioned, even though they state unequivocally that "Current ASUS 890FX and 890GX series motherboards can be upgraded to enjoy the extra performance offered by future AM3+ CPUs." they do not state unequivocally that "Current ASUS 890FX and 890GX series motherboards can be upgraded to enjoy the extra performance offered by future Bulldozer CPUs." so they could just be talking about AM3+ revisions of Athlon IIs and Phenom IIs.
I see where your confusion is coming from.

1) Bulldozer is the codename for the architecture that all future AM3+ CPU's will utilise.

2) JF-AMD has stated before that there are no AM3+ revisions of the deneb/thuban based Athlon II and Phenom II.

3) Therefore any new AM3+ CPU's are automatically Bulldozer based.

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.... but his email response was from Biostar, not ASUS....
Most likely this just means that Biostar are not going to offer bios upgrades. I believe Gigabyte is also going down the same route.

This is bad luck for all existing Biostar and Gigabyte customers but it is theoretically possible for them to do it.

So far we have two companies Asus and MSI offering bios upgrades for AM3+ compatibility.
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2) JF-AMD has stated before that there are no AM3+ revisions of the deneb/thuban based Athlon II and Phenom II.
Ok I was not aware of this. Do you have a link to that statement?
I hadn't thought of the possible existence of Athlon II or Phenom II AM3+ CPUs until I read that article I linked to yesterday. It was stated in there that
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Asus never mentions Bulldozer by name on its webpage and refers only to "extra performance offered by future AM3+ CPUs." Back when AMD released its original AM3 processors, a number of manufacturers (including Asus) took to labeling AM2 boards as offering AM3 support. We know AMD will continue to sell Phenom II processors after Bulldozer launches; Asus may simply be noting that an AM3+ Phenom II will fit into an AM3 socket without referring to Bulldozer at all. At present this seems the most likely scenario--it explains why Asus doesn't mention Bulldozer on its announcement page. Unfortunately it also invites confusion—AM3+ Phenom II's would end up working in AM3 boards while AM3+ Bulldozer's would be restricted to AM3+ boards.
so that's what got me thinking that. I tend to think that those ASUS boards will support Bulldozer though otherwise ASUS is just going to hurt their reputation if it does turn out to be some marketing ploy and I don't think they would do that. Then MSI is just going to look a lot better and from what I hear about them having greatly improved the quality of their boards/VRMs recently could run away with the ball and I don't think ASUS would set themselves up for that.
Edited by bardacuda - 4/4/11 at 6:49pm
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post #109 of 169
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Ok I was not aware of this. Do you have a link to that statement?
I hadn't thought of the possible existence of Athlon II or Phenom II AM3+ CPUs until I read that article I linked to yesterday. It was stated in there that so that's what got me thinking that. I tend to think that those ASUS boards will support Bulldozer though otherwise ASUS is just going to hurt their reputation if it does turn out to be some marketing ploy and I don't think they would do that. Then MSI is just going to look a lot better and from what I hear about them having greatly improved the quality of their boards/VRMs recently could run away with the ball and I don't think ASUS would set themselves up for that.
No sorry dude I can't for the life of me remember where I saw it. It could have been any of the numerous sites he posts on.

It kind of makes sense though because those products would require a die shrink to 32nm.

A 32nm Deneb/Thuban in AM3+ package would have to been taped out ages ago. JF AMD has also stated previously that there will be no die shrink for deneb/thuban (other than for Llano).

Oh and I agree with the rest of your post.
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So, AM3+ will essentially be the bulldozer correct?
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