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A 32nm Deneb/Thuban in AM3+ package would have to been taped out ages ago. JF AMD has also stated previously that there will be no die shrink for deneb/thuban (other than for Llano).
Well then that's great news. If I end up getting BIOS support I think the first thing I am gonna do is do like ionstorm66 and cbr600 and re-mount the heatsink on the VRMs properly.
post #112 of 169
Hey guys, saw the thread and figured I'd respond.

The PR is not an April Fools prank (as someone mentioned earlier, business continues as normal on April 1 )...however, because of all the comments I am going to look into it more to see where the discrepancy is and if I can resolve any concerns.

We are aware of the PWM issue some people experience on the GD70, and we resolved that with the new GD65 and has been a major point of focus for the 990 boards, too.

I'll check in with my board engineers to get some concrete information.

Thanks!

Rajiv Kothari
MSI North America PR Manager
post #113 of 169
I'll throw this out here:

What are the chances that MSI, Asus, Biostar and others got engineering samples of BD? Is there a possibility that the ES BD's have only 941 pins (AM3)? Could the final production BD's have a 942 pin package that only goes into AM3b sockets? Just thinking out loud.


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post #114 of 169
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I'll throw this out here:

What are the chances that MSI, Asus, Biostar and others got engineering samples of BD? Is there a possibility that the ES BD's have only 941 pins (AM3)? Could the final production BD's have a 942 pin package that only goes into AM3b sockets? Just thinking out loud.


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I would say the chances of them getting ES's is probably overwhelming. Do you know of any examples of ES CPU's that have changed their pin count before release? Is there any legitimate reason to think this is the case? Many people are speculating that the extra pin is for "enhanced" Bulldozer in 2012.

Besides that would be incredibly amateurish of them. Dont forget they have released a bios for this and set up a web page devoted to this.

Surely someone at Asus would have the fore-thought to say "hey guys these are only ES BD's, shouldn't we at least check with AMD that the retail CPU's have the same pin count as ES's before going to all this trouble of writing a bios etc?"
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Surely someone at Asus would have the fore-thought to say "hey guys these are only ES BD's, shouldn't we at least check with AMD that the retail CPU's have the same pin count as ES's before going to all this trouble of writing a bios etc?"
^ Agreed.
post #116 of 169
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I would say the chances of them getting ES's is probably overwhelming. Do you know of any examples of ES CPU's that have changed their pin count before release? Is there any legitimate reason to think this is the case? Many people are speculating that the extra pin is for "enhanced" Bulldozer in 2012.

Besides that would be incredibly amateurish of them. Dont forget they have released a bios for this and set up a web page devoted to this.

Surely someone at Asus would have the fore-thought to say "hey guys these are only ES BD's, shouldn't we at least check with AMD that the retail CPU's have the same pin count as ES's before going to all this trouble of writing a bios etc?"
I thought the second gen BD were coming out Q4 this year? I gather the ES BD are going to be just like the production ones, just I was wondering about if ES chips can physically be changed before the retail run begins. I also think that it was a bit amateurish of these companies to start this news about BD fitting in AM3 mobos without allot of details, IMO.
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I also think that it was a bit amateurish of these companies to start this news about BD fitting in AM3 mobos without allot of details, IMO.
If it turns out to work fine then it might not be so amateurish. It boosts their sales of their "older" technology to ppl who would have otherwise waited to buy a new AM3+ board with a 9xx chipset. And the more ppl buy now instead of wait, the sooner they will need to upgrade and make their next purchase presumably. Especially if the current boards are limited in some way(s) when running a Bulldozer chip.

EDIT: Just found this:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboa...ies_Chips.html

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MSI's AM3 Motherboards to Support AM3+ "Bulldozer" Microprocessors
[04/04/2011 11:32 PM]
by Anton Shilov

MicroStar International (MSI), a leading maker of mainboards, on Monday said that select platforms originally designed for current-generation central processing units (CPUs) in AM3 form-factor will support the forthcoming AMD FX-series chips with Bulldozer micro-architecture in AM3+ package.

Various AM3 mainboards from MSI based on various AMD 7-series and AMD 8-series chipsets will support AM3+ microprocessors after a BIOS update. This will allow end-users, who own appropriate platforms, to upgrade to multi-core AMD FX-series CPUs code-named Zambezi once they become available in the coming months. At present MSI offers BIOS updates for three mainboards, but the list contains fourteen models and will be updated.

The maker of motherboards implied that the AM3 mainboards will support all the advanced capabilities of chips based on Bulldozer micro-architecture, including technologies that improve power efficiency as well as Turbo Core 2.0 technology that can dynamically overclock CPUs by up to 500MHz.

Edited by bardacuda - 4/5/11 at 6:38pm
post #118 of 169
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I thought the second gen BD were coming out Q4 this year? I gather the ES BD are going to be just like the production ones, just I was wondering about if ES chips can physically be changed before the retail run begins. I also think that it was a bit amateurish of these companies to start this news about BD fitting in AM3 mobos without allot of details, IMO.
I've only seen slides stating "Enhanced" Bulldozer in 2012, so probably 12 months after the first gen Bulldozers are released. However this doesn't really concern me because I will have Bulldozer on my CHIV Formula anyway wont be buying a new motherboard until Next Gen bulldozer in 2013.

Whether or not the ES's can physically be changed before release is a very good question, however like I said it seems unlikely that someone from MSI or Asus would not have already checked on this.

Amateurish? Well maybe they could have made it a bit clearer, I will agree with you on that, but lets remember that this is a motherboard manufacturer initiative, it is not supported by AMD so really what can one expect?

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Just remember too that the mobo makers have said nothing about what features will not be working with BD on AM3. ANd no, I'm not jelly, because I will be buying a 990FX board when they come out. I won't have to worry about any of this AM3 drama with BD.
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post #120 of 169
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Hey guys, saw the thread and figured I'd respond.

The PR is not an April Fools prank (as someone mentioned earlier, business continues as normal on April 1 )...however, because of all the comments I am going to look into it more to see where the discrepancy is and if I can resolve any concerns.

We are aware of the PWM issue some people experience on the GD70, and we resolved that with the new GD65 and has been a major point of focus for the 990 boards, too.

I'll check in with my board engineers to get some concrete information.

Thanks!

Rajiv Kothari
MSI North America PR Manager
My GD70 Blew, Send multiple email to MSI for RMA.

No response after 4 weeks..... tossed GD70 in the bin and moved to ASUS.

Bye Bye MSI..
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