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So *IF* a bulldozer cpu even sits in an am3 board, and a bios update enables it, can the manufacturer then declare it an "AM3+" board and would AMD then *have* to support it?

I mean...y'know...while we're purely speculating and all...
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I don't imagine. I beleive AMD only has to support bulldozer on whatever boards they choose to put in their "official support list" regardless of what the board maker labels it.
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This just makes me think bad of AMD for trying to trick people into thinking BD wouldn't work in older boards.

JF-AMD.. SHAME ON YOU!
you're an idiot
AMD will not support the BD in AM3 sockets
nowhere did they say it wouldn't work just that they wouldn't support it
and who cares about old mobos anyway?
post #124 of 169
This discussion about AM3 and AM3+ compatability, in many threads, is becoming a pointless argument. Both sides are just bickering back and forth.

Can we just agree that MSI/ASUS are releasing a bios that claims to work with AM3+ CPUs and drop it?
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you're an idiot
AMD will not support the BD in AM3 sockets
nowhere did they say it wouldn't work just that they wouldn't support it
and who cares about old mobos anyway?
Agreed, and I don't care about 890 chipset support. Even if the bulldozer cpu's came in at the same or lower tdp. It doesn't matter to me. My 890GX-G65 is barely up to the task of OC'ing this 965, and in point of fact, I lost a bit on my OC when I swapped to this board.

Not only on my cpu, but my ram/nb/fsb overclocks are lower. I'm not happy at all with it, although I'm sure there are many others that would be extremely happy running it. I just happen to know what this particular cpu & ram can do. If I didn't, I'd prolly be ecstatic...but I'm not.

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*snip*...Can we just agree that MSI/ASUS are releasing a bios that claims to work with AM3+ CPUs and drop it?
Now that makes perfect sense
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This discussion about AM3 and AM3+ compatability, in many threads, is becoming a pointless argument. Both sides are just bickering back and forth.

Can we just agree that MSI/ASUS are releasing a bios that claims to work with AM3+ CPUs and drop it?
I'll agree that when Asus announced this that the Asus fanboys went nuts over it and flamed everyone that did not believe it. The fact remains is that there is still NO PROOF, oh yeah, the NDA is getting in the way of that. Opps. Our bad. We still just sold a crap load of older stock mobos by doing this (Asus and MSI). That is the way I see it. Asus and MSI are opening Pandora's box with this, given that AMD is not supporting it at all, for good reason, opps, there is that pesky NDA again, darnit, so we can't know the details. People run the good chance of frying something (like the peeps who ran the test bios ignoring the warning) or blaming AMD, not Asus or MSI for any problems that COULD arise. Keeping consumers that plan builds well in advance mis-informed, under informed or in the dark is not a good practice. This is going to get ugly if it backfires.
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post #127 of 169
I just found an image from a Chinese forum saying they have a bulldozer sample.
I counted the PINS for the Bulldozer and it has 940 pins. So it can fit into AM3 sockets. Looks like ASUS isn't crazy after all.

HOWEVER, AMD's next generation Bulldozer will almost definitely require AM3+. Better to get the AM3+ to be future ready.

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post #128 of 169
Newegg removed the "AM3+" category.

Meet the new BS, same as the old BS.

I used to have an "AM2" motherboard which was "AM2+" with a cmos. Never worked, hell the first AM2+ certified board I ordered wouldn't run AM2 chips.

AM3+ isn't even completely finalized, clear we're gonna see AM4 boards in development soon.

Might be entertaining if someone makes an actual Bulldozer ATX board as well as Zambezi boards.
(bulldozer's a G socket)
Edited by prjindigo - 4/6/11 at 2:01pm
post #129 of 169
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I just found an image from a Chinese forum saying they have a bulldozer sample.
I counted the PINS for the Bulldozer and it has 940 pins. So it can fit into AM3 sockets. Looks like ASUS isn't crazy after all.

HOWEVER, AMD's next generation Bulldozer will almost definitely require AM3+. Better to get the AM3+ to be future ready.

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Looks like that nasty NDA caught up with that Chinese site. LOL!

And just because it has 940 pins does not mean it will fit, pin outs positions could be different. We need to see a BD side by side with a PII to see what the pinouts look like.
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post #130 of 169
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My GD70 Blew, Send multiple email to MSI for RMA.

No response after 4 weeks..... tossed GD70 in the bin and moved to ASUS.

Bye Bye MSI..
Sorry to hear that - I see you are in the UK so I wouldn't have been able to help, but in the future if you ever do decide to give MSI a chance, you can contact me and I can forward the UK office. Things have improved a lot in the past few months

As for the AM3+ issue... you guys pretty much hit it on the head. I can't discuss details due to NDA but since most of you guys have done the research, it's pretty much on par with the information I have too. If anything changes, I'll be sure to get that information out.

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