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Originally Posted by Obakemono View Post
Nobody knows what will happen with BD on a AM3 board. What I am saying is that Asus and MSI will have to replace the CPU because AMD does not support that platform. So why would someone risk a mobo and a CPU just to say that "BD runs on MY AM3 board"? Seems allot of peeps here will.
Also, AMD has said ALREADY that AM3 running BD is not supported, so they will not "certify" those boards. A mobo with the AM3b socket is supported.
Why would someone risk overclocking a CPU/mobo/GPU? It's not just to say that they did it, it is because there are very real perfomance gains to be had and the rewards outweigh the risks for a lot of people.
No one knows (aside from those that got to play with engineering samples) exactly what will happen now but I'm sure ppl and review sites will try it and find out and post about it in forums such as this one, allowing the majority of us to do it after first researching and understanding the risk/reward dynamic. I'm sure the first person to ever overclock a CPU didn't know exactly what would happen when they started to raise the voltage beyond spec level but someone felt it was worth it to try it anyway.
Oh and I never said AMD would certify those AM3 boards nor do I expect them too. I was just saying that it's possible they may decide to replace a CPU if it is tested in one of the boards that are certified and it can be ruled out that it was not fried by an uncertified board. Basically, if they can be assured that the CPU was a dud to begin with. And I was saying that is just a hope/possibility and never said or remotely implied that it was anything more than pure speculation.
Edited by bardacuda - 4/7/11 at 3:59pm
post #142 of 169
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Why would someone risk overclocking a CPU/mobo/GPU? It's not just to say that they did it, it is because there are very real perfomance gains to be had and the rewards outweigh the risks for a lot of people.
No one knows exactly what will happen now but I'm sure ppl and review sites will try it and find out and post about it in forums such as this one, allowing the majority of us to do it after first researching and understanding the risk/reward dynamic. I'm sure the first person to ever overclock a CPU didn't know exactly what would happen when they started to raise the voltage beyond spec level but someone felt it was worth it to try it anyway.
Exactly, well said. He's just being a nay-sayer.

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Exactly, well said. He's just being a nay-sayer.

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Oh come on. I'm exploring legit questions, and then people like you come in and call me names. Grow up.
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Why would someone risk overclocking a CPU/mobo/GPU? It's not just to say that they did it, it is because there are very real perfomance gains to be had and the rewards outweigh the risks for a lot of people.
No one knows (aside from those that got to play with engineering samples) exactly what will happen now but I'm sure ppl and review sites will try it and find out and post about it in forums such as this one, allowing the majority of us to do it after first researching and understanding the risk/reward dynamic. I'm sure the first person to ever overclock a CPU didn't know exactly what would happen when they started to raise the voltage beyond spec level but someone felt it was worth it to try it anyway.
Oh and I never said AMD would certify those AM3 boards nor do I expect them too. I was just saying that it's possible they may decide to replace a CPU if it is tested in one of the boards that are certified and it can be ruled out that it was not fried by an uncertified board. Basically, if they can be assured that the CPU was a dud to begin with. And I was saying that is just a hope/possibility and never said or remotely implied that it was anything more than pure speculation.
People ALREADY have tried to run a PII on that gimmick BIOS that Asus published (and warned not to do). Also I never said a damn thing about overclocking either, so stop putting words in my mouth. Re-read what I said and then come back with an intelligent response.
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I never said that you said anything about overclocking. This is what you said:
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why would someone risk a mobo and a CPU just to say that "BD runs on MY AM3 board"?
I used overclocking as an example to explain to you a viable reason why ppl would do so. I did read what you said. Why don't you read and understand what I am saying?

I don't see why you are getting all up in arms here anyway. I never suggested or advocated in any way that someone should just go out and buy one of ASUS or MSI's AM3 boards and then just chuck in a bulldozer when it comes out and see what happens. To quote you again:
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I'm exploring legit questions, and then people like you come in and call me names. Grow up.
I am only here to try and figure out the possibilites simply for my own knowledge by doing research, and looking at other people's research and conclusions, and bouncing thoughts and ideas around, etc. You make it sound as if I am trying to make ppl destroy their computers so I can have a laugh about it or something. If you feel that you need to warn against ppl trying this with one of their systems after bulldozer comes out then you can go right ahead but there's no need to get all pissy.
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I never said that you said anything about overclocking. This is what you said:

I used overclocking as an example to explain to you a viable reason why ppl would do so. I did read what you said. Why don't you read and understand what I am saying?

I don't see why you are getting all up in arms here anyway. I never suggested or advocated in any way that someone should just go out and buy one of ASUS or MSI's AM3 boards and then just chuck in a bulldozer when it comes out and see what happens. To quote you again:


I am only here to try and figure out the possibilites simply for my own knowledge by doing research, and looking at other people's research and conclusions, and bouncing thoughts and ideas around, etc. You make it sound as if I am trying to make ppl destroy their computers so I can have a laugh about it or something. If you feel that you need to warn against ppl trying this with one of their systems after bulldozer comes out then you can go right ahead but there's no need to get all pissy.
Ok, I see your point. Not being pissy about it, just trying to understand like everyone else. It's all good!
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I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that flashing the new BIOS for AM3+ CPUs makes the board no longer work with AM3 CPUs and that is a little disconcerting. I can see a lot of ppl ending up with bricks for boards unless they happen to have one of each type of CPU just kicking around. I know MSI has "M-Flash" where the BIOS can be flashed using a USB stick, but don't you still have to have a processor in the socket to do that? I mean, what happens if you are flashing your BIOS with a 1090T in there, does it start frying your chip when the flashing is complete?
I guess you would have to do a restart first for the new BIOS to take effect, but what if ppl restart their computer and don't swap the chip out? Or what if ppl buy a complete system with the old mobo with the old BIOS and a new bulldozer chip and have no way of flashing the BIOS without putting in an AM3 chip first?
I haven't had any experience with the move from AM2>AM2+>AM3 since I haven't been into the whole hardware scene from the last time I built many years ago until this one I did a few months ago so if anyone can enlighten me please go ahead.
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So your telling me my motherboard that has a hard time handling a quad core without popping the vrms will handle a 8 core cpu... I am disbelief
Not ALL BDs are 8core...there is 4,6 and 8s..get a quad core
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Anyone with a Gigabyte 890FX-UD5(rev3.0) have the board flashed with the same bios as the rev3.1. From picks on gigabytes website the 3.0's are white sockets and the 3.1's are black. Yet use the same Bios.
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About damn time that info got out, but they said too the pin out IS different.
You're not the first to make this point, but remember that pinout != pin arrangement.

For example, you could have a 6-pin PCIe plug with the proper pinout or you could (easily...but not-so-brilliantly) reverse the positive and negative wires. Thus the pinout would be different, but it would physically fit in a 6-pin PCIe plug.

He wouldn't go into detail regarding the pins changed and which pin does what.
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