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I didn't follow the whole conversation, but I would suggest going right for a seasonic PSU. If you are in the US and looking to buy something locally, best buy (blech) carries Corsair PSUs which are pretty amazing to be honest. I now have two comps running corsair due to me being unable to wait for a shipped PSU, and I don't have a single complaint.

IMO, the only Antec PSUs worth a damn anymore ask for far too much premium.
The TruePower New series are worth a damn, but they don't cost much at all!
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Didn't read through all 18 pages so I don't know if anyone has mentioned this... if you plan to get an SSD then you need Windows Vista or 7. I recommend 7. XP will not format an SSD properly nor will you get the proper performance/setup without a lot of having to do it manually.
This is one thing that was NOT said so far and is very good to know since I am still on XP. Once I get the new pc built I was planning on going to win7 but until then it would be XP. Thanks for that info!
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This is one thing that was NOT said so far and is very good to know since I am still on XP. Once I get the new pc built I was planning on going to win7 but until then it would be XP. Thanks for that info!
It's not about the way the drive gets formatted, but it's the way it gets "aligned". I don't fully understand what it means to "align" a drive, however Windows Vista and 7 should align SSDs properly as long as the SSD is recognized as an SSD (some SSDs fool Vista and 7 and end up being treated like HDDs).

The formatting process is just a simple process of creating a fresh Master File Table in the specified format (which automatically replaces any existing Master File Table) That's why it's called "formatting". So when a drive gets reformatted using the same format as before (usually NTFS), all that's happening is the old Master File Table gets replaced with a new one in the same format. The new one is blank and so therefore the drive looks empty when in reality none of the actual data was touched. It's a bit like a Table of Contents that an operating system uses in order to know what's on the drive as well as where each file is located.

Now I suppose the natural question after reading that is "Then why does it take almost an hour?" You're right: the formatting process itself takes just a few seconds! However, the reason why there's both a Quick Format as well as a longer-lasting format is because you really have two options (which Microsoft has never made clear in their products): the Quick Format is simply the act of putting a fresh Master File Table on the drive in the specified format - which, again, automatically replaces any existing Master File Table. The longer format is the same thing, except it starts off with a thorough scan for errors on the hard and attempts to fix any that might be found. So the actual formatting process happens immediately after that long scan. So contrary to what you may believe (or what you may have been told), formatting a drive doesn't touch the data, and so that's why data recovery is possible even if a drive has been formatted 100 times.

Fortunately, Windows Vista and 7 no longer have the two formatting options built into the installer. Now it's just one option, and it happens to be the quick format. So if you were to manually format your drive using Windows 7's installer, then it would only take maybe 3 seconds (fortunately, it's automatically formatted when you click next in this prompt). I think the reason why they took out the longer format (the one with the error scan) may be because they feel that today's hard drives are built better than they used to be. Either that, or it was just the result of trying to simplify everything. I mean, I bet that they had people complaining to them that the formatting process in XP took way too long.

Now, there is a way to properly align SSDs for Windows XP for optimal performance, but it is a little bit involved (even though it's relatively easy). Fortunately, Windows 7 should do it automatically. Plus, Windows 7 is a million times better than XP anyway, so I'll just recommend here that you get Windows 7. However, don't be fooled by the edition names: just get Home Premium. I mean, I sincerely doubt that Professional or Ultimate has anything you'll need or want:

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That still won't make his pc support trim.
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That still won't make his pc support trim.
I didn't say that it would make it support TRIM in XP. Fortunately, Windows 7 natively supports SSDs fully, so as long as the drive supports the TRIM command, it'll accept it and it'll know what to do with it.
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I didn't say that it would make it support TRIM in XP. Fortunately, Windows 7 natively supports SSDs fully, so as long as the drive supports the TRIM command, it'll accept it and it'll know what to do with it.
My point is that his money is best spent on other parts of his rig. There is no rush to go out and buy a ssd just to jump through hoops in hope that it will work the way that it is supposed to. As is a nice 1TB drive like the F3 spinpoint or 1TB WD black that he would need in combination with a ssd anyways would do a nice job speeding up his pc reliably.
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I know Corsair makes awesome stuff,but i got this PSU during a Newegg sale,i'm wondering if it can handle a GTX560 Ti or a HD6870.
Easily. Will handle 2 of either, even. (if you're asking about the 650 watter in your sig)

I ran an i5 760 + a 460 on a 430 watt Antec Earthwatts. They're not fantastic PSUs, but they are quite good.
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