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Good things will come from bulldozer either way, even if it isn't ridiculously good, it will drop the price of the thubans
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John, I don't think people are going to understand that. Honestly, it took me $500 more or less to learn that fact and to start looking at the bigger picture/at a different market segments and different scales.

Going by my previous example, why does Toyota need an Avalon in their lineup if it basically costs the same as a Lexus ES? From my understanding it's pretty much just to say "look at us we have a $40,000 flagship sedan in our lineup, even if it doesn't sell that many units we can still brag about having a kickass luxury flagship sedan".
That is complete BS. Let me explain why in a simple question.

Let's assume you have $500 in your budget. You have 2 choices:

An AMD that is $480 and scores 65 in a benchmark that matters to you.
An intel that is $500 and scores 50 in a benchmark that matters to you.

Why do you buy?

Do you buy the $500, more expensive, slower intel because intel has the 980X and that is the fastest desktop processor, or do you buy the less expensive and faster AMD part?

There is your answer.

There are 2 types of people in the world: processor aware and processor unaware. Processor aware people will not spend more money for a slower processor just because there is some high end benchmark part that is out of their budget. Processor unaware people (80%+ of the market) are unaware of those high end parts and so they wouldn't be tempted either.

The $1000 parts are designed for 2 purposes: win benchmarks and make people who bought down the stack feel good about their purchases. They don't drive people to buy brands, people who understand processors buy the best for their budget.
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The $1000 parts are designed for 2 purposes: win benchmarks and make people who bought down the stack feel good about their purchases. They don't drive people to buy brands, people who understand processors buy the best for their budget.
Unfortunately, they do. I reckon quite a number of Intel systems have been bought by people who don't know any better because they asked their friendly, neighborhood "tech guru": Who makes faster processors? More often than not, there's no added disclaimer that in the lower end of the price spectrum, AMD chips are both cheaper and faster than competing Intel products.

By the way, I highly doubt anyone looking to buy $500 processors are "processor unaware" (unless Accounting buys stuff without consulting IT).
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Well let me tell you, I work around the IT community (im a software developer) and the majority of the IT staff i know, know absolutely jack bugger all about desktop technology. Ask them about switchs, firewalls etc and they konw everything, but mention a Phenom II 965 and they go, sorry what did you say. I dont understand....

I think that there is a slow growth to processor aware, thanks to things like google, but its so slow that its going to take years to get to a decent level. And the problem is, is that you have to stay constantly aware. you need to be in the reviews etc all the time, to see whats new, whats good etc. If you are not into technology and interested in the IT world, then you are going to be missing the boat.
   
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Unfortunately, they do. I reckon quite a number of Intel systems have been bought by people who don't know any better because they asked their friendly, neighborhood "tech guru": Who makes faster processors? More often than not, there's no added disclaimer that in the lower end of the price spectrum, AMD chips are both cheaper and faster than competing Intel products.

By the way, I highly doubt anyone looking to buy $500 processors are "processor unaware" (unless Accounting buys stuff without consulting IT).

Well, as someone who has been on the sales and marketing end for the last 20 years, I think I am going to have to disagree on your first statement. The reason I disagree is the the vast majority of the PCs that are bought are bought with the following criteria (in order): 1. budget 2. manufacturer 3. HD size 4. monitor 5. memory 6. etc.

When consumers shop for PCs the first thing they look at is price. They tend to buy from manufacturers that they know. They tend to know how much "stuff" they have to store and they can look at the monitors. The problem with CPUs is that a.) they don't understand all of the models and b.) the technology is too hard for them to understand. They tend to ask questions like "will this run xyz..."

I know that all of the tech guys would like to believe that they have this overwhelming power over the non-tech world, but the reality is that once you hit the shop, the sales guy has all of the power. And he is going to sell you whatever he thinks will get you out the door the fastest with a box under your arm (trust me, I have been in those shoes.)

Try this, walk into a store that sells intel and AMD. Hold cash in your hand so he can see it. Tell them that you want to buy a desktop with an AMD processor. Then ask him "will this be fast enough to run xyz...." and see what the answer is.

A processor is a component on the overall system, when consumers go to buy there are far bigger things going on.

On your second one point, the people who buy $500 processors are not "processor unaware." Those are the aware guys and they shop for the best performance in their price range.
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John, do you view the overclocking segment as a bane to your overall sales, or is our segment too small to matter?

I only ask because as overclockers we seem to represent the exact opposite of what most of your consumer base does. In that we don't generally buy the AMD 970, instead we buy the 955. We do this because we know that once overclocked there is a very small chance there will be any difference between the two chips, and that if there is any difference it would be very minor and not worth the price difference.

The same can be said of Intel based chips, the majority of i7 1366 cpus you will see around here are 920s, even though for awhile there you couldn't even buy them new.
    
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Here you go guys names of them at least http://www.computerdux.net/tag/amd-fx-8130p

That says there due this month so YAY!!<-------- Ooops got a little excited there two months not this month sorry guys lol
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Here you go guys names of them at least http://www.computerdux.net/tag/amd-fx-8130p

That says there due this month so YAY!!
Have I missed something?
In that article and everywhere else on the Internet, it says the current due date is June 2011 with a predicted 20th June 2011 as the target. Who knows, though, but I doubt anything will appear prior to June.
    
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John, do you view the overclocking segment as a bane to your overall sales, or is our segment too small to matter?

I only ask because as overclockers we seem to represent the exact opposite of what most of your consumer base does. In that we don't generally buy the AMD 970, instead we buy the 955. We do this because we know that once overclocked there is a very small chance there will be any difference between the two chips, and that if there is any difference it would be very minor and not worth the price difference.

The same can be said of Intel based chips, the majority of i7 1366 cpus you will see around here are 920s, even though for awhile there you couldn't even buy them new.
I don't really pay much attention to overclocking because we don't support it on server products.

As to the rest of the market, I think there are too many people fixated on an obsession over highest possible performance in a world where 99.999% of the people could never afford that system. I laugh when I see all the back and forth from 2 guys arguing one vs. the other when neither actually owns either. Sometimes people just like to fight. The world isn't an "us vs. them" but some people make it that.
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Maybe there would be more market for higher end chips on the AMD side if AMD actually had a processor that performs as well or better than the i7? Lots of people own i7's, and I wouldn't call them budget chips.
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