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This is the first thing I've ever heard about soap operas and looking different than movies or other video media. Then again, I've never watched one. Do they REALLY shoot at higher than 24fps, or is it just because of how they set up the sets and lighting?
Absolutely hand to God yes they do. They were initially recorded on video at 60fps as an easy to use cheap format intended for TV viewing. They may use a "different lighting scheme" than what you normally see, but the smoother motion is a distinguishing characteristic of a soap opera and has been for many decades now.

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I couldn't care less if they go with 48 or 60fps, because there's always the option of down-sampling both the resolution and the fps to whatever we can practically use. It's not like things like netflix, hulu, etc. use uncompressed and un-transcoded video files in the first place. Being concerned about the amount of bandwidth a higher-fps video might take is a moot point for what fps a video is shot at. And think about the values that are mentioned--48 and 60fps, both multiples of 2 vs. what are commonly used, likely to make transcoding/converting to the lower fps formats with relative ease, such that it's supported for accepted formats, codecs, etc.
While I understand what you are going for, you are wrong. The resolution can be downsized. Absolutely to whatever you want really. But the frame rate is a little bit harder. It doesn't always come out that smooth in the end. But I'd imagine new codec algorithms would be put in place to take care of this for us and we really wouldn't have too much of an issue.

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That being said, if I choose 60fps vs. 30fps on my digital camera, I honestly can't tell a difference in terms of smoothness even if I'm recording a fast-paced shot (admitted that a digicam isn't always the highest quality video capture device). Wonder what it would be like with higher quality videos.
NOTICEABLE. I can notice it on nearly any recording device. But higher resolution videos where you are going for quality. Booyah you will notice it. Even if you might not, the director, editor, DP... all these people that have spent their lives staring at movies will know it. And they wont like it I'm sure. Plus is your camera 60p or 60i and able to do 30p? These things make a big difference.

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I'm betting regardless if 30/48/60, it won't have much effect on accepted formats--at least, not anytime soon.
Maybe not soon but it will make some big waves within the industry, the ATSC, and the poor bastards that do CGI or rotoscoping. Workload goes up, rendering times go up. Production and especially post production osts will logically go up somewhat too. (No idea how much though).

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Definitely needs to be done.
If you think about it, 24fps is actually bad for 60Hz operation. since 60Hz is not a direct multiple of 24, you actually lose moments of frames because they are out of sync with the screen (every third refresh of the screen would cut out part of the next frame) . at 30fps the screen refreshes twice for each frame so its in sync. the reason 24fps looks better at 120hz is because 120 is a direct multiple of 24, 30, and 60, so the frames are in sync with the refresh rate.
That, my friend, has generally been one of the arguments for it. But at the same time we have had telecine since the 50's. And the 2:3 pulldown is practically a standard in its own right because it is used all the time. Oddly enough it goes against the usual judder in that is most visible with very slow steady movement as opposed to faster stuff.
Edited by slipstream808 - 4/4/11 at 10:28pm
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Why not go for 30 fps? Not as high as 60 so it hopefully wont produce a "soap opera" look. A multiple of 60, 120, and 240.
    
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Ok seriously? A nearly completely 3d animated film ... needing more than 30fps (not counting 3d) Might as well make all live scenes with 1k-2kfps cameras, and render all 3d's to match w/e is between that ..... seeing as theyre fushing higher in theaters ...
How is this news? No offence to OP or source. But really .... its 2011... We don't have 3d multi angle films yet ... kinda disappointing IMO.
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Any increase from the current 27FPS standard for movies would be very welcome.
    
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There is no "film filter". There are tips, there are tricks that help. But if you want a film look you need the right equipment: a film camera with film, or a very high end digital camera. In either case you will need very good lenses.

Thank you another reason to wait for a DVD release of that film.
I worded that incorrectly, I mean as a filter to give that look from shooting 24fps and playing on a 60hz screen. Which really is just the addition of extra frames lol. If they can create a script to procedurally grow and age the forests of Pandora in a 3D package, I don't see why it's not possible. And it's that look that makes the movies feel surreal.
    
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Aren't you guys taking this a little too seriously

It's something you wouldn't even notice if they didn't tell you about it
    
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Aren't you guys taking this a little too seriously

It's something you wouldn't even notice if they didn't tell you about it
Facepalm. Play crysis at 24 fps and then at 60 fps and tell me you didn't notice a difference.
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The cost of shooting on film in 60fps is crazy thats why Hollywood settles on 24fps you know how some people are about pinching pennies. I'm talking about Producers such as myself. (no a jew jokes)
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It they shoot digital it can be an fps they want.
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howcome movies @ 24fps dont look laggy compared to games @ 24fps? I n00b
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