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Originally Posted by bkilla187;13007110 
The cost of shooting on film in 60fps is crazy thats why Hollywood settles on 24fps you know how some people are about pinching pennies. I'm talking about Producers such as myself. (no a jew jokes)

I'm fairly sure they shoot movies at a higher fps already and then bring it down to 24fps because that's the standard. A higher fps wouldn't fit nicely onto a DVD either. Not exactly sure though, but I've seen camera's advertising 30fps and it seems to be a growing trend.

http://www.birnsandsawyer.com/_camera-rentals/hd-cameras/

About half of the cameras listed there support over 24fps
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post #172 of 177
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Originally Posted by slipstream808;13005870 
Absolutely hand to God yes they do. They were initially recorded on video at 60fps as an easy to use cheap format intended for TV viewing. They may use a "different lighting scheme" than what you normally see, but the smoother motion is a distinguishing characteristic of a soap opera and has been for many decades now.



While I understand what you are going for, you are wrong. The resolution can be downsized. Absolutely to whatever you want really. cool.gif But the frame rate is a little bit harder. It doesn't always come out that smooth in the end. But I'd imagine new codec algorithms would be put in place to take care of this for us and we really wouldn't have too much of an issue.



NOTICEABLE. I can notice it on nearly any recording device. But higher resolution videos where you are going for quality. Booyah you will notice it. Even if you might not, the director, editor, DP... all these people that have spent their lives staring at movies will know it. And they wont like it I'm sure. Plus is your camera 60p or 60i and able to do 30p? These things make a big difference.



Maybe not soon but it will make some big waves within the industry, the ATSC, and the poor bastards that do CGI or rotoscoping. Workload goes up, rendering times go up. Production and especially post production osts will logically go up somewhat too. (No idea how much though).



That, my friend, has generally been one of the arguments for it. But at the same time we have had telecine since the 50's. And the 2:3 pulldown is practically a standard in its own right because it is used all the time. Oddly enough it goes against the usual judder in that is most visible with very slow steady movement as opposed to faster stuff.

Wow, I had no idea they shot soaps at higher fps than normal. How weird...

But framerate isn't hard to change with transcoding--tons of "avi to ipod" converters have multiple fps settings, going from 30 all the way down to 15, in various fps counts. Until you go so low that your eye can notice the difference, it all looks the same, and is very easy to do in transcoding--and I would think that if you pick, say, 48fps to shoot the movie at, it would be simple to reduce the fps back down to 24fps, as the transcoding used would just drop every other frame to result back at 24fps.

Not sure what format my camera uses--I'll admit, it's not high quality, so it might be i rather than p.
    
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its just a trendy analogy that video snobs started up to defend 24fps, really the primary reason we use 24fps is not for any sort of ideal image or motion quality, its because film is finite thus expensive.

No, its not. You've obviously not ever seen what they're referring to when people say this. I have a samsung 52" that is capable of 240hz refresh rate and when I turn on the "smooth 240hz" feature that samsung put in place, everything I watch looks exactly like a soap opera. Where there is some kind of weird, almost 3D looking, too fluid motion. Now granted, none of this has to take place. If people use the right settings they will never see this, and as such they don't have to worry about getting this effect when its undesired. But you said its just a trendy analogy, and its not. Its a real effect that many have seen including myself. And it looks freaking awful. It makes whatever you are watching just look and feel cheap as all getout.
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James Cameron was pondering what I was always pondering. Does this mean something to anyone?
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No, its not. You've obviously not ever seen what they're referring to when people say this. I have a samsung 52" that is capable of 240hz refresh rate and when I turn on the "smooth 240hz" feature that samsung put in place, everything I watch looks exactly like a soap opera. Where there is some kind of weird, almost 3D looking, too fluid motion. Now granted, none of this has to take place. If people use the right settings they will never see this, and as such they don't have to worry about getting this effect when its undesired. But you said its just a trendy analogy, and its not. Its a real effect that many have seen including myself. And it looks freaking awful. It makes whatever you are watching just look and feel cheap as all getout.

But that effect is all wrong, your tv 'creating' frames where there are non, your not watching a movie shot with a higher fps, so that effect won't happen if you watch a 60fps at 60hz...


Thats like hooking my pc up to a tv and putting it on 240hz and saying I'm now playing at 240fps...
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Also, in defending Mr. Cameron, cameras used for TV have lenses that have much broader depth of field. It makes everything look "flatter". Its useful because your sets are static with a very well established "4th wall" and lines of access. Movies can vary this up a lot more and have more variety so things aren't often nearly as flat.
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How on earth does higher FPS make it look less realistic?

I once thought 2048kb of EMS memory and 200MB of hard drive was like the biggest thing ever too.

People will learn.
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