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Didn't read the whole thread, but I've been gaming on my 570 sli Oc'd to 580sli performance along with my 955 @4.2 and my NB@2800.

The results weren't optimal.

I can tell you that there were a lot of games where my cpu was holding me below 60fps.

I'm not talking about Crysis (although that was sub 50 for me most of the time and sub 35 during the beach scenes) but lots of other games playing with frames below 60.

I never saw both my gpu's maxed out in anything other than metro. Even then it was only for a second and then back down to lower usage. My cpu was always up in the mid to high 90%'s for usage. Most games my 570's wouldn't hit 65% usage each.

So I made the decision to jump to the 2500k. Will get everything tomorrow and post some results at some point.
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Depends who you ask.
Do YOU think Intel is better than AMD for gaming?
Theres your answer.

The data on which is better tends to be pretty freaking inconclusive so it all comes down to your interpretation of what you have seen and experienced.

My conclusion is:
Yes Intel is better, but on a properly built AMD system the difference is either not noticeable or is non existent. And even then it depends on what fps and eye candy you want.
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Originally Posted by CRosko42;12988822 
Didn't read the whole thread, but I've been gaming on my 570 sli Oc'd to 580sli performance along with my 955 @4.2 and my NB@2800.

The results weren't optimal.

I can tell you that there were a lot of games where my cpu was holding me below 60fps.

I'm not talking about Crysis (although that was sub 50 for me most of the time and sub 35 during the beach scenes) but lots of other games playing with frames below 60.

I never saw both my gpu's maxed out in anything other than metro. Even then it was only for a second and then back down to lower usage. My cpu was always up in the mid to high 90%'s for usage. Most games my 570's wouldn't hit 65% usage each.

So I made the decision to jump to the 2500k. Will get everything tomorrow and post some results at some point.


What tools do you use to measure your cards usage?
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Originally Posted by phrossbyte;12988869 
What tools do you use to measure your cards usage?

MSI afterburners on screen display.
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Originally Posted by pc-illiterate;12987185 
considering microcenter isnt available to everyone, your choice of shopping centers is moot.
i5 2500k is still over $200

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=i5+2500k&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=6241366433756866403&sa=X&ei=DJ6YTaXaE6mP0QHB8vz0Cw&ved=0CD0Q8wIwAg#scoring=tp

Oh &$, if it was the other way around, You would use that in your defense...
Even at MSRP the i5 still wins in P/P.. So your point is moot, Go home.
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Originally Posted by xd_1771;12976760 
The 17FPS might not be noticeable i.e. a difference between 200 and 217 FPS or etc.
The i5 2500k is a newer architecture than Phenom II and on 32nm, of course it would win. Also it's clocked a bit faster. Slightly unfair comparison.

Well I would dismiss the clock speed and consider both to be really good. No games coded for more than 3 cores anyway. AMD however dropped that multi thread driver on us and that made their cards equal to NVidia. People really don't understand what this means to the gaming and benchmark world.

I wish the reviewers would run the bench pre AMD driver and post driver. You would see a HUGE difference in scores between the two imho, because it's what I saw when I ran my bench that way. Too bad I didn't think to grab a screen shot of my Heaven benches when I ran them. But it was noticeable.

However the equalizer put them back in the back seat to Intel. Not that they'll be there long. Their driver while helping them in the GPU market kind of gave Intel a stronger foothold, though they would already have had it with Sandy. Thuban is a true 6 core, as far as I am aware of there is nothing coded to make use of 6 cores(maybe Folders notice an increase in productivity) and so Sandy B being in the 4 Core architecture will run faster on the 32nm scale. But just wait BD also based on the 32nm scale will drop in 4,6 and 8 core architecture. Then we'll have a bonafide matchup on our hands the likes of Ali/Frasier, Tyson/Holyfield & Schmelling/Lewis. boxing3.gif

I cannot wait.wheee.gif

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Originally Posted by CRosko42;12988822 
Didn't read the whole thread, but I've been gaming on my 570 sli Oc'd to 580sli performance along with my 955 @4.2 and my NB@2800.

The results weren't optimal.

I can tell you that there were a lot of games where my cpu was holding me below 60fps.

And what motherboard were you using? SLI hack is not perfect you know, of course it might have worked unexpectedly for you.

OP,
2500k is great. Intel has done a great job when planning those Sandy Bridge processors. They are sold at reasonable prices, and they perform just like older i7's. No doubt - their cores are super-effective. More effective than AMD cores actually.
The question is - Is it worth paying more (and much more) for Sandy Bridge relatively to AMD build?
My answer: Depends.
If you need a computer for multitasking, video editing, etc - Sandy Bridge is the way to go. i5 2500k is significantly faster than any hex core (in most cases, not all of them though).
If it's pure gaming - AMD, without any doubt. No one has ever proved that Intel is faster than AMD in anything. It's pure nonsense. They perform quite equally.
I remember than there was time when people were constantly saying that i5 quad cores are far ahead compared to AMD Phenom II quad cores. I checked whether it's true, and I found some sources that absolutely disproved this statement.
Same thing about this matter. AMD Phenom II's are just as good as Sandy Bridge when gaming (AND NOT 800x600).

In addition, I can easily disprove what the OP has stated. Sandy Bridge would never get that advantage in BF:BC2.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i5-2500k-and-core-i7-2600k-review/21

And please follow the higher resolutions, no one cares about 1024x768.
And please note, that the guru3d review used the GTX 580 as the GPU, which is significantly faster than R6870.
Even when you clock the i7 2600k to 4,3GHz, the perfomance between this and X6 processors is almost the same !

Also, since when Sandy Bridge costs almost as equally as AMD setups? AMD will probably always be better in terms of Price & Performance.
Say we wanted a system for XFiring, or SLI.

This would be the AMD system:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851&cm_re=Phenom_II_X6_1055T-_-19-103-851-_-Product

(Phenom II X6 1055T).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=890FXA-GD65

(MSI 890FXA-GD65 w/ 8 + 2 phase design).

And this would be the intel system:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072&cm_re=Core_i5_2500k-_-19-115-072-_-Product

(Core i5 2500K).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128478&Tpk=P67A-UD4

(Gigabyte P67A-UD4).

So what do we have here? Intel combo costs 415$. AMD combo costs 310$.
Intel system is 33% more expensive than the AMD system, and perfoms about the same when gaming.

And the OP, you shouldn't listen to the users that already have a 2500K/2600K or the x6 1055T/1090T. Just a suggestion. No matter how they want to be objective, they won't be. They would always want to justify what they have bought, so they won't feel sorry for spending money on it.

I think I summarized this properly, please read it all, and you'll get an objective perspective.
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There's no 2600k or 2500k, but all these processors are at stock settings using the best GPU you can purchase currently.

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The point is that no one should be tossing out their phenom II's for intel solutions unless they are experiencing significant losses in performance from the games they play. Even if you are, you shouldn't assume that it's hardware related before messing around with various settings as much as possible.

Intel is definitely better right now if you're putting together a new build or upgrading an extremely low end processor for other tasks where intel shines. I just wouldn't recommend spending the money to upgrade already decent processors just for gaming at this point (at a loss anyway). We're in the realm of diminishing returns with high end processors for gaming.

I'd rather put money towards a 2600k or bulldozer if I ever need an excepional increase in power for other significant tasks.
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