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Hey OCN, so recently I've developed this idea in my head that I see as quite a profitable idea, but as to date, I've only been a developer for school/self interest/pleasure. This leads me to a couple questions for a software idea that would be sold, and contain information for users, not just a application to perform simplistic tasks.

so here's what I'm hoping for some information on...

Pretty much my idea would contain a lot of information on a specific topic. Now this information would be stored in a database for the ease of searches and organization... This information is not in my knowledge, but is widely available through books, internet and where else possibly.

EX: Say I was creating an app that was like IMDB (movies and actors and such). All the information on actors and movies is available on their site, but thats their information.

So my question becomes... if I was developing an application where the information existed in a book or website, and I reproduced all the information into my own database... How does this work exactly? Say I took the information from a given site or book, is this allowed? Do I need to give credit? Do I need the rights to use their information?

Me and my partner see great development potential but I am new to this from a sale perspective.

Input and help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks OCN!
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www.google.com or www.wolframalpha.com already do this.


What you ask for is not easy at all.

You would need to write a web crawler..... tag/transform the data into something storable.... then build a search engine on top of the database. You're looking at few people with phD's to develop the necessary algorithms to accomplish this.
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Well I'm familiar with website harvesting, done it in the past. But if I'm using someone elses published information in my application, do I just need to give reference of where the data came from? Or anything at all?

And as for need of people with phD's for the algorithms... I'm capable of writing search algorithms for databases, maybe not to the best of efficiency, but at the same time, my search wont be performed on something the size like google, nor will the application be performing web harvesting.

If developed, the application will have its own database developed and structured based on the application itself. This would greatly simplify searches and traversing of data.

My major interest is just the ownership of data and where credit might be due, or what measures I personally may need to take to use the data from a given website or book.
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Well I'm familiar with website harvesting, done it in the past. But if I'm using someone elses published information in my application, do I just need to give reference of where the data came from? Or anything at all?

And as for need of people with phD's for the algorithms... I'm capable of writing search algorithms for databases, maybe not to the best of efficiency, but at the same time, my search wont be performed on something the size like google, nor will the application be performing web harvesting.

If developed, the application will have its own database developed and structured based on the application itself. This would greatly simplify searches and traversing of data.

My major interest is just the ownership of data and where credit might be due, or what measures I personally may need to take to use the data from a given website or book.
Yes, you have to provide credit or references to any data you cite (unless it is public knowledge). Like any time you use a reference in a paper, you have to provide citation or risk being sued.

With more information about the project or its scope... it is hard to know what is possible. If you are designing something specific, then it should not be too hard. If you are designing something general, then good luck. As you increase variables, performance decreases and code grows non-linearly.
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Actively referencing information from another site doesn't require citation-- it requires something much more than that.

Permission.

Permission might require citation, advertising, link-backs, all of the above, etc.
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Actively referencing information from another site doesn't require citation-- it requires something much more than that.

Permission.

Permission might require citation, advertising, link-backs, all of the above, etc.
This ^
If you are were using the information without selling it then the citation may be enough (may be it is still better to get permission if you are submitting it for anything). But since you are looking for monetary gains out of this you should really check with each place that you take information from to see what you need to do to make it legal.
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This is you are were using the information without selling it then the citation may be enough (may be it is still better to get permission if you are submitting it for anything). But since you are looking for monetary gains out of this you should really check with each place that you take information from to see what you need to do to make it legal.
It's really when you are doing any kind of passive referencing. This is my career and is very related to my doctoral degree.
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Yea this is what I was thinking, that simply referencing wouldn't be enough. Now it looks like we may use a lot of information from books.

So say for example I was going to develop a bird watching app... The app would have all the info on the different birds.. So if I had a bird watching book, how would I go about be able to use that information in my app?
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So say for example I was going to develop a bird watching app... The app would have all the info on the different birds.. So if I had a bird watching book, how would I go about be able to use that information in my app?
"Factual" information you can copy, like names, weights etc without needing to seek permission. You cant copy the "Creative" parts, such as drawings, photographs of the birds, descriptions, etc without permission of the publisher/author of the books.

You should consult with a copyright lawyer for more detail.
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Ya, I did some research and found the people to contact for getting permissions to their information. I think I'm going to write a letter to them because part of my project is going to be education related.
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