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You failed to post an OC'd review. Once again, stock comparisons are pointless on OCN. People might actually fall for that somewhere else. I don't run my 570 DCIIs at stock nor do I care what fps they might get at those clocks either. I could say something just as stupid as that such as, "My 570s are faster than 580s in SLI", but that would be misleading, just like that review is.


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That review he loves so much is the only one getting those results.
Yeah, some random poster has more credibility than the entire overclockersclub review site. Let's just ignore actual OCing benchmarks because we don't want to believe them. I'm sorry you're afraid of OC reviews.



I also only posted BC2 results since that's what most people play. I don't know anyone who actually plays the other games other then to test them out. I got so bored of Metro2033 after a couple hours and hardly anyone actually plays Crysis 1/Warhead; it's more like a Unigine Heaven/Vantage benchmark.


There were other games tested on that review if you had bothered to look at it.


What's this? A benchmark showing the 6970 doing better than the 570s? This can't be right, since "only this review site" got these results. Grow up. If Overclockersclub was an Nvidia propaganda site, results like this wouldn't show up. Just because you refuse to accept OC'd reviews doesn't mean they're making these up.


^ This just shows how pointless your stock comparison is. The 6970s actually do 20FPS more.



^ AvP is very memory intensive which is the reason for the huge difference between the 570 and 580 results. Too bad the extra 720MB only gave the 6970s 1 more fps though...





Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/5/11 at 5:36am
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OC Club is always the anomaly, I believe it's because they very rarely use max IQ settings.

And this thread is about scaling, maybe they should do a scaling review.
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OC Club is always the anomaly, I believe it's because they very rarely use max IQ settings.

And this thread is about scaling, maybe they should do a scaling review.
Well there's at least single and dual card scaling in the review. You can see the AMDs do poorly in most games and yes, do better in Crysis Warhead.

Comparing stock reviews to OC reviews and then calling the OC review an anomaly because it's different doesn't seem logical. What other review site OCs every card(volt mod too) in the review?
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/5/11 at 6:02am
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Poopa, post more reviews besides OC Club.
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Well there's at least single and dual card scaling in the review. You can see the AMDs do poorly in most games and yes, do better in Crysis Warhead.

Comparing stock reviews to OC reviews and then calling the OC review an anomaly because it's different doesn't seem logical. What other review site OCs every card(volt mod too) in the review?
Looking at the BC2 scaling, AMD > NV, now run it at max IQ settings and watch AMD close the gap even further.


And by anomaly I'm not referring to stock vs OC, I'm talking the end results when compared to other sites, that's mainly because they step down the iq settings.
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Poopa, post more reviews besides OC Club.
Post another OC review comparison then. All I see is half-assed reviews with some cards sometimes being OC'd and then leaving out certain cards or SLI/Xfire configurations in different games. I haven't seen a more consistent review site.

If anyone thinks their reviews are BS, why don't you go question them on the forums?

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Looking at the BC2 scaling, AMD > NV, now run it at max IQ settings and watch AMD close the gap even further.


And by anomaly I'm not referring to stock vs OC, I'm talking the end results when compared to other sites, that's mainly because they step down the iq settings.
The only thing turned off is HBAO in BC2. Are we looking at two different pictures? The 570 is clearly out-performing the 6970s. 85fps vs 60fps. They're equally priced cards. At least you still have PhysX, CUDA, better Tessellation, better OpenCL, and 3D gaming for the same price.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/5/11 at 6:08am
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Post another OC review comparison then. All I see is half-assed reviews with some cards sometimes being OC'd and then leaving out certain cards or SLI/Xfire configurations in different games. I haven't seen a more consistent review site.

If you think their reviews are such BS, then why don't you go question them on the forums?


Are we looking at two different pictures? The 570 is clearly out-performing the 6970s. 85fps vs 60fps. They're equally priced cards. At least you still have PhysX, CUDA, better Tessellation, better OpenCL, and 3D gaming for the same price.

I'm talking about CFX scaling, not overclocking scaling..
That's what this thread is about.

Yes 75% of the time 570>6970 at the lowered IQ settings that OC club uses.
Now visit another site that uses higher IQ settings and watch that trend reverse.


And no don't ask me to post any links, you've already been provided them.

The [H] link is a perfect example of what happens to the 570 at higher iq levels that the 6970 can handle, coupled with superior gpu scaling.

They also only used x4 AA, along with no HBAO in the OCC review.
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I'm talking about CFX scaling, not overclocking scaling..
That's what this thread is about.

Yes 75% of the time 570>6970 at the lowered IQ settings that OC club uses.
Now visit another site that uses higher IQ settings and watch that trend reverse.


And no don't ask me to post any links, you've already been provided them.

The [H] link is a perfect example of what happens to the 570 at higher iq levels that the 6970 can handle, coupled with superior gpu scaling.

They also only used x4 AA, along with no HBAO in the OCC review.
And even [H] explains that there is no discernible difference between 4xAA and 8xAA at 2560x1600 as well. So I fail to see the point in the 8xAA test. Superior scaling when the fps is so poor from the get-go doesn't matter. That review showed that in single and dual they lose.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/5/11 at 6:20am
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And even [H] explains that there is no discernible difference between 4xAA and 8xAA at 2560x1600 as well. So I fail to see the point in the 8xAA test. Superior scaling when the fps is so poor from the get-go doesn't matter. That review showed that in single and dual they lose.
Just because there's no discernible difference doesn't make it invalid.

I mean look at this, even the 6950 does better.



Then this, the 570 can't even compete so they excluded it.



And the trend continues with BC2.

There's no doubt though, were I buying a single card, it would definitely be an NV card.

But a dual card set up, definitely be AMD.

IT's you're own personal preference, but with the scaling of AMD cards at the games I play, AMD is my choice.

Maybe next gen NV will have improved their scaling.

It's not just eyefin/surround scaling, AMD has superior scaling across all resolutions ATM.
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Just because there's no discernible difference doesn't make it invalid.

I mean look at this, even the 6950 does better.



Then this, the 570 can't even compete so they excluded it.



And the trend continues with BC2.

There's no doubt though, were I buying a single card, it would definitely be an NV card.

But a dual card set up, definitely be AMD.

IT's you're own personal preference, but with the scaling of AMD cards at the games I play, AMD is my choice.

Maybe next gen NV will have improved their scaling.

It's not just eyefin/surround scaling, AMD has superior scaling across all resolutions ATM.
Actually, yes, if you can't tell the difference between 4xAA and 8xAA at 2560x1600 then going above 4xAA is pointless for actual use.

Not only that, but the 6970s are already dangerously close to being completely unplayable even with 4xAA. If you crank the AA up more, then the fps will be stuttering like hell well below 60fps. Yet another reason it's pointless.


Average 60 means it's dropping below 60 quite often which is horrible for fps games. Would you seriously buy 2 6970s knowing could barely play BC2 with 4xAA when they're equally priced? You want to talk about extra head-room: the 570s could easily handle HBAO without getting close to 60fps. Can't say the same for the 6970s.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/5/11 at 7:03am
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