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AMD has 3D as well, and yes, the PSU is enough.
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The 570 is a crap card with ****ty VRMs, don't even consider it if you wanna OC.
Crap card?
They overclock just fine as long you don't try to squeeze the life out of them.

I like GTX 580 performance for $350.

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Originally Posted by reflex99 View Post
Also the 570 has been known to die while overclocking,
When voiding the volt limiter.


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and even occaisionally at stock.
570's die at stock now huh?
Edited by amstech - 4/3/11 at 3:59pm
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I think that the 560 is a much better value. I hear that if overclocked, the 560 can come close to 570 performance. Also the 570 has been known to die while overclocking, and even occaisionally at stock.
570s die when you turn off OCP and go beyond 1.1v without the cooling system to do so. The cards that died at stock are the same level of bad cards that you see from absolutely any run of cards, and barely more common. Yes, there are cards dying when overclocked with OCP on, but it's not an outright epidemic that people make it out to be. Is it more common than other cards? Yes. Is it above 5% of 570s dying (at <1.1v)? No. Don't go insane on the OC, and the card is amazing. Especially if you go with the Asus custom version.

As for value, heavily overclocked (>950 core) 560ti = 570 stock. Moderately overclocked (>850 core) 570 = 580 stock. That's $100 value on OCing the 560ti, a $150+ value on OCing the 570... If I wanted to, I'm pretty sure I could take my 570 to 1.1v, be at 975-1k core, and easily outperform stock 580s, probably even some of the light factory OC ones. On top of that, I wouldn't even be concerned with the card failing. Only reason I haven't already done that is because of the terrible airflow in my case.
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Hmm, So gtx570 sounds crap stay away from that is what im getting out of this.

I love the idea of the gtx580 but i know for sure i would need a PSU for that as no 8pin on mine and using adapters are just meh for me lol.

I do like to overclock dont get me wrong, but i dont ever touch volatage stuff, Cause i honestly have no clue what to do then lol.
Not worth it. I just push it as far as i can on stock voltages XD
and safe of course.

Im now just looking at 6950 2gb vs the 560ti benchmarks and its pretty much dead even.

And ATI has 3d now? Since when? aw i see amdhd3d hmm well ok then lol XD

My airflow is pretty good i would say not worried about that, Temps sit at like 50 idle on my 4850 but thats cuase the fan only at like 20% ati werid like that. idk.
my cpu never go any higher then 50c on full load.
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Crap card?
They overclock just fine as long you don't try to squeeze the life out of them.

I like GTX 580 performance for $350.


When voiding the volt limiter.



570's die at stock now huh?
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570s die when you turn off OCP and go beyond 1.1v without the cooling system to do so. The cards that died at stock are the same level of bad cards that you see from absolutely any run of cards, and barely more common. Yes, there are cards dying when overclocked with OCP on, but it's not an outright epidemic that people make it out to be. Is it more common than other cards? Yes. Is it above 5% of 570s dying (at <1.1v)? No. Don't go insane on the OC, and the card is amazing. Especially if you go with the Asus custom version.

As for value, heavily overclocked (>950 core) 560ti = 570 stock. Moderately overclocked (>850 core) 570 = 580 stock. That's $100 value on OCing the 560ti, a $150+ value on OCing the 570... If I wanted to, I'm pretty sure I could take my 570 to 1.1v, be at 975-1k core, and easily outperform stock 580s, probably even some of the light factory OC ones. On top of that, I wouldn't even be concerned with the card failing. Only reason I haven't already done that is because of the terrible airflow in my case.
you shoudn't need to have OCP in the first place.


http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/9291...led-570-a.html

quite a few of those died under 1.1v, with OCP on.

Just face the facts. 4 VRMs are not enough to handle the 570 GPU. It is a known fact that nVidia screwed up.
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. It is a known fact that nVidia screwed up.
Nvidia have voltage limiters in there for a reason.
The VRM's are more then fine.

Youre obviously biased and uneducated on this and youre statements are quite foolish, I suggest you stop with your instigative comments and hate towards the green team before yet another thread sinks to the bottom.
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What?

If they had put VRM's capable of handling the power requirements of the GPU, they would not need OCP.

They wanted to fit a price bracket, and the only way for them to do that was to cheap out on the VRM's.

The 480 used more power than a 570, but did not feature OCP. It is possible to run 480 cuda cores without OCP.

Calling me a fool/troll/whatever doesn't get us anywhere.
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But that's the truth. Most of GTX 570 are crap. "If You want to burn your house, buy Nvidia" - new Nvidia slogan. Sorry for that, it was a joke BTW. OP You can get 6950 Twin Frozr III and unlock only shaders, then OC card manually in Afterburner.
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Wow what i have i caused lol
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Quote:
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you shoudn't need to have OCP in the first place.


http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/9291...led-570-a.html

quite a few of those died under 1.1v, with OCP on.

Just face the facts. 4 VRMs are not enough to handle the 570 GPU. It is a known fact that nVidia screwed up.
That thread you linked, it was updated last week. There are 12 dead cards in that thread. TWELVE. Three of them had OCP off. So that's NINE cards that have died with OCP on. That is an epidemic. Couldn't possibly be 9 oddities. I mean there are only about 110 users, 15-30% with SLI, listed in the 570 club (I myself haven't entered it, and there are others like me) so nine being reported as frying is just horrible...
Owait...

The 590s are the ones frying at the slightest touch, the 570s just have a bad rep from AMD fanbois screaming about it in every direction. If we assume there are 200 total 570s represented on OCN (adding numbers for SLI and non-club members, probably a low estimate), and ~20 have died total(probably a high estimate), the rate of failure on 570s is not terrible. Not good, but not bad enough to be a reason to avoid the card.

Edit: I just checked list again, 4 of the cards that died were ABOVE 1.1v, 2 of the cards that died under 1.1v had OCP off. So that's 6 cards dead under normal overclocks...
Edited by -Apocalypse- - 4/3/11 at 4:33pm
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