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Some of the 570s does overclock/work just fine, but far too many don't. The 590 is a horrible card avoid it and it's no problem.

I actually don't mind Nvidia, but when they put cheap/crap Vrms on their cards and so low amounts of Vram it's just too much to handle.
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It definitely isn't an oddity. These cards are known for failing, there are more reported cases of 570s failing than any other current gen card. I don't care what the list/club says science says that 4 35a mosfets are not enough to power this card.

There shouldn't need to be a dead *insert card here* thread, it if was able to supply power to itself. If they had just put the full 6 phases on the card, it would have been fine, but they took the cheap route, and left the last 2 off.

The 570 is a fine card! If you plan to overclock though, you will be seriously limited, by either the vrms, or OCP kicking in.
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It definitely isn't an oddity. These cards are known for failing, there are more reported cases of 570s failing than any other current gen card. I don't care what the list/club says science says that 4 35a mosfets are not enough to power this card.

There shouldn't need to be a dead *insert card here* thread, it if was able to supply power to itself. If they had just put the full 6 phases on the card, it would have been fine, but they took the cheap route, and left the last 2 off.

The 570 is a fine card! If you plan to overclock though, you will be seriously limited, by either the vrms, or OCP kicking in.
12 cards doesn't justify a thread. Especially when only 6 were actually unexpected deaths. The reason that thread was even there is that a few died within a few days of each other making it look like far more of an issue than it is. If 6 unexpected deaths are enough for a "need" for a dead card thread, it wouldn't be difficult at all to create an equal thread for the 580, 560, 68**, 69**, ect.

So, either provide the "science" you cite, or don't say that these cards have a higher rate of frying than others. I gave you mine*.

*Actually, you provided my proof, but tried to play it off as something it wasn't.
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there are 12 deaths on that list.

the reason there is not threads for other cards is because they do not die at an abnormal rate. If they did, then there sure as hell would be a thread.

These cards do have a higher rate of frying than others. Look around, ask anyone, they will say that they die way more often. If you want science proof, go read this: http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...-analyzed.html

The 570 uses EXACTLY the save VRM setup.
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12 cards doesn't justify a thread. Especially when only 6 were actually unexpected deaths. The reason that thread was even there is that a few died within a few days of each other making it look like far more of an issue than it is. If 6 unexpected deaths are enough for a "need" for a dead card thread, it wouldn't be difficult at all to create an equal thread for the 580, 560, 68**, 69**, ect.

So, either provide the "science" you cite, or don't say that these cards have a higher rate of frying than others. I gave you mine*.

*Actually, you provided my proof, but tried to play it off as something it wasn't.
The 570 is by all means a good card if you actually get a good sample. But why gamble?
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there are 12 deaths on that list.

the reason there is not threads for other cards is because they do not die at an abnormal rate. If they did, then there sure as hell would be a thread.

These cards do have a higher rate of frying than others. Look around, ask anyone, they will say that they die way more often. If you want science proof, go read this: http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...-analyzed.html

The 570 uses EXACTLY the save VRM setup.
570, using a single GPU, uses the save setup as a dual GPU card with more demanding individual GPUs, so the 570 is a bad setup? Earth and Mars are both in the same Solar System, so they're obviously homo sapiens populating Mars.

Yes, asking around people will say that 570s fail at an abnormal rate. 99/100 people saying that will point to the same thread you did, which is not proof. In the 1300s, 99/100 people you asked would have said the world was flat. The dead 570 thread was created when 3-4 cards died within the same week. Since then, 8 cards have been added to the list. People see a thread titled "Have you killed a 570", see 49 pages, go OMG, and never actually look to see that only 12 of the posts are relevant, the rest is just a dozen or so people in a circular debate. Popular opinion is given far too much weight. Hell, anyone remember when someone convinced an entire town to vote to ban di-hydrogen monoxide because it would cause soil erosion and is found in the lungs of people who drown?
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the 590 uses 2 sets of 4+1 phase VRMs, one set for each GPU, so yes they are the same setup.

This is not the same thing as the world being flat. This is pure fact. The VRMs are not PHYSICALLY CAPABLE of outputting the power needed for an overclocked GTX 570.
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the 590 uses 2 sets of 4+1 phase VRMs, one set for each GPU, so yes they are the same setup.

This is not the same thing as the world being flat. This is pure fact. The VRMs are not PHYSICALLY CAPABLE of outputting the power needed for an overclocked GTX 570.
Nvidia says card probably won't work past 1.1v. Card doesn't work past 1.1v, so the card is bad? Also, yes, the 590 is the same setup, but it's not the same GPU, the 570 is a scaled back version of the chips used in the 580/590. It isn't a worthwhile comparison.

The fact is that SOME 570s have failed at conditions where they shouldn't have. The opinion is that it's excessively high, and that the card is poorly designed.

With absolutely any card available, you can get a DOA, you can get a timebomb, the 570s are not actually notably ahead of the curb when it comes to either. There are plenty of people that have had their 570s running at 1.1v since December without any issues. Far more than have had their cards die. Telling people to avoid a card because of a few oddities is foolish. Overclocking a 570 is just like overclocking any other card- you can only push so far before bad things happen, so don't get careless.
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Alright so this thread has turned into a bashing gtx570 post now lol,
Anyways yeh i dont know how you all are talking abot this. But i dont think i will be getting a gtx570 just because i dont want the problem that all of you are talking about.


I think i will most likly go with the 560ti or the 6950,

but i will have to do my reserch i will most likly get a new power supply also i just gotta find a new one, Im thinking like a 750w Corsair one will do amazing XD
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Just forgot to mention that the 570 has less OC potential than it should have, due to Nvidia's pathetic attempt to save money.

I'd go ATI any day. Better quality and more Vram. Choice is simple, really.


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Alright so this thread has turned into a bashing gtx570 post now lol,
Anyways yeh i dont know how you all are talking abot this. But i dont think i will be getting a gtx570 just because i dont want the problem that all of you are talking about.


I think i will most likly go with the 560ti or the 6950,

but i will have to do my reserch i will most likly get a new power supply also i just gotta find a new one, Im thinking like a 750w Corsair one will do amazing XD
Corsair makes excellent PSUs, definitely a good choice. I'd go with the 6950 personally, it is a better card.
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