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Two points I'd like to bring up from the article.

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The first versions of the game were created for the Commodore 64, MS Dos, and Apple II platforms and released in 1988
This means the versions this guy wrote were most likely in assembly or BASIC. Perhaps the idea of the football based on Madden has been carried on, but I can assure you there is no original code used.

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In the early 1990s, EA began to take steps to franchise the game to other platforms, starting with a Sega Genesis in 1990, and licensed versions without Antonick's approval.
Two years after he wrote them EA was already publishing the game and breaching the alleged contract. As others have stated, he probably waited too long and I'd be surprised if he gets anything now.
    
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I want to see EA lose: So I can pay $70 for games now!

I'm actually surprised games aren't more expensive already.

Back in the old days, all you needed was a few magazine ads, a TV spot or two, and the dev costs of the game +shipping it to retailers.

Now, games have these MASSIVE budgets that have to factor in social marketing, a strong marketing campaign in magazines, television, AND the internet. Not to mention the costs of voice actors, potential translators, and even servers for multiplayer that have to be constantly maintained.

That's just to name a few .
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I'm actually surprised games aren't more expensive already.

Back in the old days, all you needed was a few magazine ads, a TV spot or two, and the dev costs of the game +shipping it to retailers.

Now, games have these MASSIVE budgets that have to factor in social marketing, a strong marketing campaign in magazines, television, AND the internet. Not to mention the costs of voice actors, potential translators, and even servers for multiplayer that have to be constantly maintained.

That's just to name a few .
Then again those games weren't exactly printing money for the publisher..

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Sry, I have little sympathy for NFL players.

MOST NFL players these days are financially broke/bankrupt before they even retire as the whopping majority have little to no financial knowledge or maturity in managing their money. Of course the players want a bigger cut, because they do not know how to put money into savings from that multi-million dollar contract.

Yes, they wreck their bodies for our social spectacle...but when most kids in middle school have more life skill in managing their piggy-bank full of quarters they've saved up than a 30year old male football player, I have no sympathy for the "man" in the picture.
Obviously you didn't read who the players suing are. Multi-million dollar contracts? In 1970 the average NFL salary was $23,000 (around $112,000 in today's currency while the average overall salary in 1970 was about $6,186) compared to the now around $1.4M. The average NFL career is 3.5 years so we are talking about a people that made nowhere near enough to actually retire even if they got lucky and are uninjured. I don't know why you are talking about a bigger cut though since the retired players are suing because they got no cut at all for their likeness appearing in the games.
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Obviously you didn't read who the players suing are. Multi-million dollar contracts? In 1970 the average NFL salary was $23,000 (around $112,000 in today's currency while the average overall salary in 1970 was about $6,186) compared to the now around $1.4M. The average NFL career is 3.5 years so we are talking about a people that made nowhere near enough to actually retire even if they got lucky and are uninjured. I don't know why you are talking about a bigger cut though since the retired players are suing because they got no cut at all for their likeness appearing in the games.
You'll note my post said "contracts" not "salary.

~80% of NFL players are in bankruptcy. Even the rookie members who get paid the least earn 5X my parents annual income before taxes. We aren't even diving into advert contracts and the other side things NFL players due to somehow not have any money at the end of the day.

They get little sympathy. They don't know how to manage their money. No one goes into the NFL Draft thinking "I'll only do this for 3-5 years" and then use that bacherlor's in leisure management, no they go into it with the I'm-Invulnerable-and-will-do-this-forever-Complex that kids have.

Historically speaking, what is happening with the NFL is quite normal. Pop stars with short careers don't make much money at the end of the day for the majority...and get used and not-appreciated by the people footing the bill. Despite all the fanfare.
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........ the costs of voice actors, potential translators, and even servers for multiplayer that have to be constantly maintained.

That's just to name a few .
Servers for Battlefield games aren't paid for by EA. Are they?


Anyways, I really hate EA. They are the COD of the sports vidya games, and split there fanbase every year.
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It's actually really easy to be unaware...

We as a community find information very easily...However, some of the elderly couldn't find Google if you asked them.
If you are unaware in your own industry, on games you personally work(ed) on and actually have rights to, then you're a moron. This isn't like asking an 85 year old man who never used computers what he thinks about the new bulldozer CPU's to be released, or something. This is someone knowing about a product they worked on and allegedly had some sort of rights to. Not that it excuses any sort of cheating of the person, but to not know about a product you worked on and had rights to, and then that product became one of the biggest cross-platform cash cows, that's ridiculous. This reeks of some sort of loosely-worded contract that some guy who--allegedly--invented a game premise and coded it in some fashion, is (and has been) looking for a loophole to snatch some cash.

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Just because he created the game, doesn't mean he owns it. He created the game for EA, and if he Is no longer employed by EA, then he should no longer get any claims to the money. If he was not paid for things he did while he was employed there, then that is another story, but just saying that because he created the original game, doesn't automatically entitle him to profits from games he was not involved in...

That is like me getting a job somewhere, working there for a couple years, and then leaving, only to sue the company 10 years later, simply because they made a ton of money after I left, and that I feel as though some of that profit should be mine because I had a part to play in that company making all that money (although they made all that money after I left).
Rights to product development don't necessarily terminate just because you switched jobs. It all depends on how it's worded in this alleged contract, but if he was entitled to royalty rights for the product and all its different incarnations, it doesn't matter if he stayed with EA or not (if that's how it was worded). It also depends on who held the intellectual property rights on the game after he left, and the terms of him leaving the company. 99% of the time, unless it's a patent that the person has their name on, the company that bought whatever the game/franchise is/was also purchases and owns all of the intellectual property rights. So unless there's a specific line in this guy's contract (that EA then decided to maintain when they bought the game) that says he's entitled to royalty rights on ALL variations of the game indefinitely (highly unlikely, as that's a stupid thing for a company to agree upon), then he's SOL.
    
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GO EA GAMES~ -insert troll face here-
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This means the versions this guy wrote were most likely in assembly or BASIC. Perhaps the idea of the football based on Madden has been carried on, but I can assure you there is no original code used.
Graphics for the xbox are probably about the same from 1988.
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