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I think you need to rethink your headphone choice before dropping that much money on your first pair of real headphones. Electronic and rock are exactly the genres that HD650s don't sound that great with. I'm speaking from personal experience here. The sound signature of 650s go a lot better with jazz, classical, piano, and other instrumental genres. For electronic, rap/pop, and rock, I strongly suggest you look at the HD600s or something from Beyerdynamic as they tend to be more neutral sounding. HD650s are warm and laid back, which generally is not what one would want for your tastes.

Since HD650s are open-backed the bass is going to stuffer unless you have a serious amp behind them. The 650s are considered a bit bass heavy, but that only really shows up once you have them hooked up to something respectable. I heard the difference first hand when I stepped up from a HT Omega Claro Halo to my Woo Audio amp. It was as if the subwoofer was finally turned on.

I don't intend to come across as condescending but none of the amps mentioned so far will fully utilize the 650s. Personally I don't even feel that my setup full utilizes them.

Also, you'll probably want a solid state amp, not one that uses vacuum tubes. Tubes, again, are a bit laid back, warmer, lack precise detail, and don't have the bass that solid state can provide. Tubes pair well with HD650s because they highlight the existing warm and smooth characteristics.
I'm with you here and there, but disagree to some extent in other places. While the 650s are great for jazz classical etc, so are the 600s. The 600s are very neutral, but the 650s are pretty neutral in their own right as well. We can go on and on about how different amps change the way the 650s can be heard. You can dump THOUSANDS into amps to make full use out of them, or you can do what you can with the limited(400) funds you have.

Not sure why you think open-back=Bass suffers. I do agree that the amp will define whether the bass you get is enough for you though. Better amps will give you better bass, there's no doubt about this.

Again though, it's really up to the OP to listen to them first hand. If he decides the 650s fit his needs, then that's great. If he decides Beyers are better for him, more power to him.
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post #32 of 44
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I'm with you here and there, but disagree to some extent in other places. While the 650s are great for jazz classical etc, so are the 600s. The 600s are very neutral, but the 650s are pretty neutral in their own right as well. We can go on and on about how different amps change the way the 650s can be heard. You can dump THOUSANDS into amps to make full use out of them, or you can do what you can with the limited(400) funds you have.

Not sure why you think open-back=Bass suffers. I do agree that the amp will define whether the bass you get is enough for you though. Better amps will give you better bass, there's no doubt about this.

Again though, it's really up to the OP to listen to them first hand. If he decides the 650s fit his needs, then that's great. If he decides Beyers are better for him, more power to him.
Open-back headphones always have less bass than closed back. The same holds true for open-baffle speakers. Since the OP wants good bass and has a limited budget, starting off with headphones that require a lot of amping doesn't make sense to me. HD600s or Beyerdynamic DT 880s will likely fit the OP's tastes better, cost less, and require less amping to sound great.

I know that sound is subjective, I'm just sharing my experience and trying to point others in the right direction. My intent is not to preach what is right or wrong.

OP: The Schiit Asgard is a good amp to start with regardless of what headphones you choose. You'll have to find a DAC to feed it though. Something like the NuForce Icon uDAC would work nicely.
Edited by groundzero9 - 4/5/11 at 8:38pm
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That's a bit of a generalization, you'll find many outliers in either camp. The 650s have plenty of bass.
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Open-back headphones always have less bass than closed back. The same holds true for open-baffle speakers. Since the OP wants good bass and has a limited budget, starting off with headphones that require a lot of amping doesn't make sense to me. HD600s or Beyerdynamic DT 880s will likely fit the OP's tastes better, cost less, and require less amping to sound great.

I know that sound is subjective, I'm just sharing my experience and trying to point others in the right direction. My intent is not to preach what is right or wrong.

OP: The Schiit Asgard is a good amp to start with regardless of what headphones you choose. You'll have to find a DAC to feed it though. Something like the NuForce Icon uDAC would work nicely.
I agree completely on all accounts. Any open back phone is prone to leakage which is not ideal for bass. Look at any high-end bass enclosure, they are all sealed. A phone, like the Beyerdynamic DT770 250 Ohm, if you get an amp that can handle that, would be a great choice for your musical taste.

Either of the DAC's that groundzero9 has suggested would work nicely and provide the needed amplification to drive the higher impedance DT770's.
Edited by Moltar - 4/6/11 at 7:16am
post #35 of 44
+1 for the Schitt - beautiful, American made amps at a great price. Perplexing name though....
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My HD238 is completely open and it has more bass than my Ultrasone Pro 550 which is closed. However, the Pro 550 does have more punch in the lower end which makes it more enjoyable to listen to IMO.
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How about check out the classified at head-fi. you get get some good headphones and DAC and Amps.. and if you don't like them sell them for very little or no loss.. I do agree with what most people are saying. HD650 might not be the best choice for electronica. I would try the M50 first, if you don't like it, move on to another.
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The Asgard is also a very good amp. I've recommended this amp before. I think it does a better job amping low impedance headphones (well duh) moreso than higher impedance headphones, but it does power the 600s and 650s well enough.

Only thing I didn't like about it for 250 was that it felt really hot compared to other amps. I don't know what was up with it, but it just radiated heat like a mother trucker.

Still think the HDP is worth it for the 650s though and it's justly reflected in the price difference on top of that fact that it's combo'd with an external DAC and preamp on top of the amp.
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Yeah, the Schiits are known to get very warm. I would probably go with the valhalla myself, its better for higher imp. phones. They also have a new model out if you haven't seen it yet called the Lyr with insane power.

http://schiit.com/products/valhalla/ - sexy


(PS - Dont read into the first line )
Edited by Iceman23 - 4/6/11 at 8:47am
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Yeah, the Schiits are known to get very warm. I would probably go with the valhalla myself, its better for higher imp. phones. They also have a new model out if you haven't seen it yet called the Lyr with insane power.

http://schiit.com/products/valhalla/ - sexy


(PS - Dont read into the first line )
Valhalla says it has .5 THD. Seems a bit..concerning. Makes me want to skip it and go for the Lyr. What are the reviews saying about the Valhalla?
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