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Fanboy much?

OT, probably about the same gap between the 1090T and the 2600K only in AMD's favor.
Talking about yourself? Or are you just a hypocrite?

You don't really believe AMD is going to jump 4 generations of performance improvements in one generation do you?

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Hmm well then Intel is pretty dumb company. I mean 1100T from AMD have dropped like 70 dollars in 2 and a half month:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?...om+II+X6+1100T
Intel doesn't drop their prices because they don't have to. They sell far more cpus than AMD does (hence their much larger market share). AMD lowers prices to make sales while keeping their price/performance competitive with Intels pricing.




I don't have a lot of faith in Bulldozer beating Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge, they're sharing resources to save die space/use less power and turn higher profits, not to increase performance vs full non shared cores.

Thats not to say they won't bring good performance at great prices (down fanboys!).
    
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You don't really believe AMD is going to jump 4 generations of performance improvements in one generation do you?
Explain where you are pulling this 4 generations figure other than out of your ass. Maybe there have been 4 Intel socket changes since the Phenom II launched, but an X6 compared to a standard fare i7 is a lot closer than the majority of people on this forum will give credit for.

If it wasn't more significant than the general performance bumps we've been receiving as of late it would be held off and another refresh of a K8 core would be put on the market instead.
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Simple, let me see if I can dumb it down enough for you.

Comment was: "OT, probably about the same gap between the 1090T and the 2600K only in AMD's favor"

The Phenom II design is on par with the Core2Quad design. Since Core2Quad Intel has released core i first gen (1) and core i second gen (2), which is two generations of improvements over Phenom II. This is seen in clock for clock performance, power usage, die size, and all the other little things they changed. Therefore core i second gen is two generations ahead of the Phenom II design.

Now this is where it gets really hard. In order for bulldozer to be two generations ahead of the i7-2600k, it needs to first catch it, which is another two generations. So in total that means "four" generations.
    
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We'll see in June, eh?

And thanks for the condescending attitude. Have fun having your post deleted.
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I hope that helps, if you need me to later I can help you count to 10 using your fingers.
I had higher hopes for you, at least teach me to count over 1000 on them.
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I don't have a lot of faith in Bulldozer beating Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge, they're sharing resources to save die space/use less power and turn higher profits, not to increase performance vs full non shared cores.
SB architecture isn´t flawless, i saw that. chipset bug, graphics problems, compile code problems..

For example, this guy, 4,6GHz 4FPU units and 8FLOPS, should be theoretically around 147,2 GFLOPS
his measurement 113GFLOPS is less than it should be, ~28-30%

WIth non avx mode he has ~19% less than he should (73,6)

5-8% deviation from theoretical max is okay in these benchies, but those values are bigger than that

http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...l#post12368129

How we should call this phenomena ? Bottleneck, for sure
    
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We'll see in June, eh?

And thanks for the condescending attitude. Have fun having your post deleted.

I had higher hopes for you, at least teach me to count over 1000 on them.
Well when you tell people they're making things up and clearly can't read they tend to not respond well.
    
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SB architecture isn´t flawless, i saw that. chipset bug, graphics problems, compile code problems..

For example, this guy, 4,6GHz 4FPU units and 8FLOPS, should be theoretically around 147,2 GFLOPS
his measurement 113GFLOPS is less than it should be, ~28-30%

WIth non avx mode he has ~19% less than he should (73,6)

5-8% deviation from theoretical max is okay in these benchies, but those values are bigger than that

http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...l#post12368129

How we should call this phenomena ? Bottleneck, for sure
Ram related?

I can change my flops from 100 to 140 just by changing my ram timings, what does that say for the test and its dependency on ram?

Lets not forget FLOPS mean about as much to 99% of the people here as cores past 4, almost nothing.
    
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Ram related?

I can change my flops from 100 to 140 just by changing my ram timings, what does that say for the test and its dependency on ram?

Lets not forget FLOPS mean about as much to 99% of the people here as cores past 4, almost nothing.


theoretical max on mine is 53,33333 , you see how small the deviation is.

There is more than just ram settings, i am sure
    
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I'm sure it doesn't matter. I've never used a single thing that used the FP unit, or has taken advantage of AVX except of course LinX.


Out of curiosity can you site your source?
    
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I'm sure it doesn't matter. I've never used a single thing that used the FP unit, or has taken advantage of AVX except of course LinX.


Out of curiosity can you site your source?
intel and amd slides, it´s publicly available information
    
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