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An actual strong argument to preferring the 590 to a 6990 that I haven't seen anyone here talk about is that the 590, as an NVidia card, supports ***CUDA*** as well as OpenCl.
Are you not aware of ATI Stream? It also can operate with OpenCL if need be.

http://developer.amd.com/documentati...D-APP-SDK.aspx
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omg it has cuda ... omg i must have .... cuda is bs .... opencl couldnt care less about what hardware it is ... duh!! winning
Yea, CUDA sucks, for people who only game with their computers.

What about those who do more than gaming? Such as video editors like myself?

OpenCL? LOL ( Nvidia cards can handle OpenCL as well ) - get informed bro:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...uda-only!.aspx
Edited by 2010rig - 4/7/11 at 9:05am
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Aside from brand loyalty, do you really think that those who bought this card really would have made this purchase had they known there would be such a narrow margin within which it could operate safely?

That's like buying a car, only to find out a month after purchasing that if you go above 50mph that the engine will overheat, then a month later the manufacturer says that all future software updates will limit the speed to 50mph. Would you really buy a car like that, and should a video card, regardless of being marketed as "The World's Fastest Graphics Card," be held to any different of a standard?

How would you justify your purchase of a car like that? "I bought it for convenience, since it can't go over 50 it doesn't use that much gas." I call BS, nobody in an enthusiast category buys neutered products, and anyone who says differently is trying to overjustify their purchase.
Reviews came on the 24th, the video was also posted on the 24th


Even today the cards are selling as they become available
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CUDA?!?!?!? Yeah. Last time I was at GPGPU conference all the talk was on the upcoming dual GPU card........not.
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Yea, CUDA sucks, for people who only game with their computers.

What about those who do more than gaming? Such as video editors like myself?

OpenCL? LOL - get informed bro:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...uda-only!.aspx
For work, ppl buy Quadro's ehehhe

I don't know if you ppl know the story behing Nvidia ...

Nvidia was created by engineers that worked at SGI ... but after some problems they left and they "swore" that they would build a killer graphics solution that would create "Envy" to SGI.

The name Nvidia is a derivation from the Spanish word "envidia" ...
They dropped the e so the name came alive as Nvidia. Envidia is the direct spanish translation for Envy.

So... basically ... if you want the best graphic solution for WORK ... use Nvidia ( Quadro's preferably ) ... Nvidia core business from day 1 was for professional usage. The consumer came 2nd ...

( i bet that many "nvidia fan's" didn't know about this story ... eheheh ... they just see Nvidia as the best freaking card for gaming ... meh ... that's the difference between being an unconditional fan without knowing how to analyze each solution carefully and just be someone that loves the technological solutions and tries to learn everything )

Nvidia is a great company that caught my attention years ago... But i can't just close my eyes to AMD that came a long way and are really pushing hard with the latest 69xx series.

So, for all those Nvidia and AMD die hard fans ... take a break, breed ... and just think a minute about things.

There are users that don't like AMD, period. So they will buy the Nvidia dual gpu solution.

There are users that don't like Nvidia, period. In that order, they will buy the AMD dual gpu solution.

There are those who like a card that can deliver great performance and still be quiet... those will be choosing Nvidia.

There are those who don't care about noise and just want to push their cards to the maximum... those will choose AMD.

So... the great think about todays market, is that we have at least 2 companies creating solutions that will fullfil everybody's needs.

Saying that "I can't understand why you got the 590 knowing that it sucks" only shows that you just can't care less about what other users think or need.

Again thinking that way only shows that you are thinking for them. By your parameters you don't see a valid reason for someone to buy X card when they have the Y card. But those are your "parameters", your ideas, your thoughts...

Just stop discussing why other people chooses Y or X because each user will have their needs, their motivations and their affection for a specific brand.

I'm not finger pointing to no one when i say "you" ... it's just general purpose.

Yes.... i did criticize the 590 ... but now because it was Nvidia ... just because i was expecting so much better from the green team ...

Now ... people just keep criticizing other users for their options not even caring about what others may want but only, by their standarts, they are choosing wrongly ... again ... keep in mind that some critics i see here are done by users that are criticizing other users because by THEIR standarts that user is a joke because he bought a X card...

Oh well ... It's sad that we can't have a technical discussion with more than 5 or 7 "clean posts" before some users become flaming others ... even if they know s**t about graphic cards... they just know one word "POWER" ...
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That's true about the Nvidia story, Envidia is also translated as To Be Green with Envy, which is where the green comes from. ( To add to your story )

About Quadros, I've used both, and the 470 does just as well in Premiere once it's set up properly, IMO Quadros are way overpriced.

I agree with everything you wrote, people have to remember that not everyone uses their computers strictly for gaming. Saying that "CUDA sucks" because you don't use any professional apps that take advantage of CUDA, is quite simply an ignorant fanboish statement.
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omg it has cuda ... omg i must have .... cuda is bs .... opencl couldnt care less about what hardware it is ... duh!! winning
Somehow I'm doubting you have *any* experience with supercomputing whatsoever.

1) OpenCl performs differently on different hardware depending on the compilers provided by the manufacturer. I never argued that OpenCl was better on NVidia. At this point, I'd actually lean towards saying the opposite is true, though that's only from anecdotal evidence.
2) Please try to actually know something about what you're making claims about before you contaminate the internet with ignorant and erroneous information.
Technical Paper on why you're incorrect. Section 5.2 if you're too lazy to read the entire thing. The host is Oakridge National Labs, home of Jaguar which I also develop on.
And another paper showing that you're completely incorrect.

Just because you don't care don't assume that no one else does. Each of us uses our transistors in a slightly unique way, some more unique than others. Those of us who have to utilize every bit of semiconductor as much as possible *must* optimize for run-time. Those of you who fold can appreciate the difference a 5% loss of performance signifies when talking about the span of months and years of computations. Would you take a 5% reduction in your salary by choice? How about a 50% reduction? As part of my grant pays me in computational hours, that's what using an inferior algorithmic approach is equivalent to doing.
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Are you not aware of ATI Stream? It also can operate with OpenCL if need be.

http://developer.amd.com/documentati...D-APP-SDK.aspx
CUDA is more mature at this point than ATI Stream (Which has been renamed, to ATI Accelerated Parallel Processing) - and it seems that it will be for a very long time considering progress. It's another SDK to learn, to work with, and while that's not generally a huge undertaking, moving to ATI APP would then require to get rid of the ATI APP usage anytime you're using non-ATI hardware - including any specialty hardware that might only support OpenCl (which still occasionally exists in my market). The process of porting CUDA to OpenCl, for well written codes, is fairly straightforward, and for the most part can be done with sed.

Also, saying that something can operate with something else is pretty vague. I can intermix Fortran with C++ with Python, but I don't *want* to because it becomes overly complicated and puts me at the mercy of heterogeneous system mixes and compiler / linker disagreements.

I'm not saying that ATI APP might not be the best solution for someone out there... but as someone who works on superclusters generally built by the US Govt, with the knowledge that most of my work *will* be running on NVidia hardware, I choose the language best fitted to that application, with the highest level of support and documentation. Refer to my previous post for links to published technical papers.
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Well if they can't fix the overheating or VRM dying by overclocking, its in their best interest to stop OCing completely, so the cards stop dying, and they will no longer need to hand out replacements.

Also I guess they can't tell really which cards can OC, and which will die completely at even the slightest OCing, so they decided to stop it completely.
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Well if they can't fix the overheating or VRM dying by overclocking, its in their best interest to stop OCing completely, so the cards stop dying, and they will no longer need to hand out replacements.

Also I guess they can't tell really which cards can OC, and which will die completely at even the slightest OCing, so they decided to stop it completely.
They are just not letting people play with the voltage. You can still overclock the card
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