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And I'm the troll right?

I still vote for either getting a nvidia gpu, or getting an i7-970 and a nvidia gpu, or getting a i5-2500k and a H67 mobo for Quick Sync.

All of those options will keep his gaming level the same, since there is no reason to improve that as its fine currently. They will however all give large gains in his other areas of need, such as CUDA assisted encoding, and CUDA for video editing which is simply amazing compared to cpu only. Then there is the h67 board with Quick Sync which is currently the fastest method of encoding available right?

Any one of those options would be great for the OP, glad I could help wrap this up before it got locked up.
    
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Wait, you're not your chearleader. What are you doing responding to me? Bulldozer will most likely be more efficient than the thubans in both of those areas and will most likely push his graphics cards to their limits. Best of both worlds and a better option than Sandy. That is if amd doesn't release a downgrade, and I've never seen them do that before so I doubt they'll start now.

So the point still stands, it is smarter to wait for BD than to jump for Sandy. Now lets see if you can come up with something so ignorant you can get 2 more people to sig you.
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CPU based encoding and video editing is bad. Even an core i7 990x isn't as fast as a i7-920 with CUDA assistance.

If encoding is his major concern then the i5-2500k is still the best option because Quick Sync is something AMD will not have.

Or even better simply sell his current video card and get a Nvidia equivalent to use as an accelerator for encoding and editing.







Wait let me take that back...

He should get a H67 motherboard and a nvidia GPU, then use the Quick Sync feature for encoding, while still having the extra power of nvidia for his editing needs. Possibly wait for a Z67 board, but thats not really a must have.

I think that would provide the best of all worlds in this case since its already been shown that even the fastest cpus aren't anywhere near as fast as those with acceleration.


I think it's pretty obvious AMD won't have an answer for Quick Sync, and SB will play games just fine, and add to that a Nvidia gpu for video editing acceleration... He'd be golden.

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Nvidia’s cuda GPU acceleration pays off

We’ve seen some videos of how much Cuda with Nvidia graphics card can speed up certain effects in Photoshop CS4 and Premiere CS4. This is all a part of newly announced Creative Suite 4 and support for Nvidia’s Cuda.

Nvidia takes over acceleration on its GPU and it can run tremendously and notably faster than these programs accelerated just by the CPU. In Premiere CS4, in one of the plugins, Nvidia claims up to seven times faster performance compared to raw CPU power.

We’ve seen videos of Photoshop CS4 with and without GPU and the performance of real time image rotation, instant zooming and panning are notably faster with GPU.

Brush resizing and brushstroke preview, high-dynamic tone mapping and colour conversion should run faster too.

On Adobe After Effects CS4 you can get effects such as depth of field, bilateral blur effects, turbulent noise such as flowing water or waving flags, and cartoon effects accelerated on GPU.

Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 can also accelerate Video but only with Quadro GPUs. Photoshop works with normal Nvidia GPUs. Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 can use the Quadro GPU to accelerate high-quality video effects such as motion, opacity, color, and image distortion. They will enable faster editing of multiple high-definition video streams and graphic overlays and provide a variety of video output choices for high-quality preview, including display port, component TV, or uncompressed 10 or 12-bit SDI.

If you use Elemental RapiHD CUDA Plug-In for Premiere Pro CS4 you can get up to seven times performance gain over CPU. This plug-in can Render Blu-ray quality AVC/H.264 files in real-time, Scrub multiple streams of AVCHD and HDV video, Accelerated workflow with fast high-quality scaling, cross-dissolves, and transition effects.

As Nvidia wants to keep making money on Quadro graphic card series, Premiere effects works only on this ultra expensive professional cards but we can say that it does make a huge difference at least on video . We are working to try this in our lab environment and justify these claims but from the videos we’ve seen, the GPU accelerated Photoshop CS4 and Premiere CS4 do run notably faster than the CPU accelerated ones.

I guess this is what Intel was afraid in the first place. A senior vice president of Creative Solutions at Adobe made a bold statement saying:"A critical element of CS4 was to capture the enormous power of the GPU. The difference is astounding. Performance is important to creative professionals and with the NVIDIA GPU, they are assured to be able to interact with images and videos in a much faster, smoother, more engaging way."

Let me remind you that this works only on Geforce 8 and 9 series GPUs and it might not run on Radeons as ATI doesn’t support Cuda at this time. We will investigatete about this.

You can check some of the videos here but the Creative Suite 4, Photoshop CS4, and Premiere CS4 that most of you might care about should be out in October. I guess Nvidia was right, GPU can be used for "smart" things not only gaming.




So lets recap.

Get a h67 board, a i5-2500k. Use the Quick Sync feature to get crazy encoding speeds.

Then buy a Nvidia gpu and use it for your video editing needs. You'll lose no performance in game, and you'll have the best possible encoding times on the market with accelerated video editing that trumps anything a cpu can do alone.


Watch this video to cement this deal!


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Wait, you're not your chearleader. What are you doing responding to me? Bulldozer will most likely be more efficient than the thubans in both of those areas and will most likely push his graphics cards to their limits. Best of both worlds and a better option than Sandy. That is if amd doesn't release a downgrade, and I've never seen them do that before so I doubt they'll start now.

So the point still stands, it is smarter to wait for BD than to jump for Sandy. Now lets see if you can come up with something so ignorant you can get 2 more people to sig you.
But dude, he's the converter of AMD users to real CPUs hurr durr.

BallaTheReared: you do realize there are other CPUs AMD has to offer besides the X6? The Phenom II X4 has the same gaming performance as the X6, but is significantly cheaper than Intel's leading quads. There's also the X2/X3 PII which is unlockable to a quad for ~$80-$100. Uh oh, Intel not so superior anymore.

Face it, SB is the king right now, and may be for quite some time if BD isn't all it's cracked up to be, but that doesn't mean it's the ONLY processor available.

BTW, who gives a testicle about a 12FPS increase in games when he's using a monitor that outputs a max of 60Hz and thus 60FPS v-synced? 20/30/3000 useless fps for the hassle of buying a new CPU and mobo? NOT worth it, especially since his current one is already running games as smoothly as possible.

As for encoding and rendering? Sure, SB is faster, but it still doesn't justify a new CPU, especially since his isn't that far behind in rendering and encoding.

OP, keep your current CPU, and wait for BD; if it's not up to snuff, buy a 2600K or an IB. Actually, invest in a better cooler and squeeze a couple more hundred MHz out of that 1055T - you're gonna want to anyways if you buy a better CPU.

I know this is Overclock.net, but you guys are taking 'overkill' to a new level.
Edited by Primus - 4/5/11 at 7:32pm
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But dude, he's the converter of AMD users to real CPUs hurr durr.

BallaTheReared: you do realize there are other CPUs AMD has to offer besides the X6? The Phenom II X4 has the same gaming performance as the X6, but is significantly cheaper than Intel's leading quads. There's also the X2/X3 PII which is unlockable to a quad for ~$80-$100. Uh oh, Intel not so superior anymore.

Face it, SB is the king right now, and may be for quite some time if BD isn't all it's cracked up to be, but that doesn't mean it's the ONLY processor available.

BTW, who gives a testicle about a 12FPS increase in games when he's using a monitor that outputs a max of 60Hz and thus 60FPS v-synced? 20/30/3000 useless fps for the hassle of buying a new CPU and mobo? NOT worth it, especially since his current one is already running games as smoothly as possible.

As for encoding and rendering? Sure, SB is faster, but it still doesn't justify a new CPU, especially since his isn't that far behind in rendering and encoding.

OP, keep your current CPU, and wait for BD; if it's not up to snuff, buy a 2600K or an IB. Actually, invest in a better cooler and squeeze a couple more hundred MHz out of that 1055T - you're gonna want to anyways if you buy a better CPU.

I know this is Overclock.net, but you guys are taking 'overkill' to a new level.
^ This pretty much sums up the thread,ignore the troll who gets paid to sucker the AMD guys into wasting more money on something they don't need when a new CPU is just a few months away(June or July).

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And I'm the troll right?


Any one of those options would be great for the OP, glad I could help wrap this up before it got locked up.
Gee,i wonder why this thread would get locked?
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Edited by Heavy MG - 4/5/11 at 8:10pm
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...when a new CPU is just a few months away.
A new CPU is always a few months away.
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A new CPU is always a few months away.
Is it? Not always
Both were a year at minimum, with the gen 1 core to the gen 2 core,or from Phenom I to Phenom II
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Then 5 hours and 160 posts later...




Just so I don't get labeled a troll too much more.

This thread should have been over awhile ago.

OP flippin and floppin. Why go crossfire when you're already "good" why upgrade from a amd x6 to a i5-2500k which would only provide a slight boost in overall multi-threading performance. None of what hes saying makes any real sense.

OP wants more cpu power for rendering and such so hes thinking about getting a i5-2500k, ok thats a minor upgrade... But then hes talking about getting 6850s? Why? You need more encoding and editing power, you need CUDA.

Do some research, end this thread already.
So, now your opinion should be my decicion? No, I do encode, render and all that stuff. I game too. I have the cash to upgrade to 2x6850. I don't like playing games at 40 fps... And I just asked which is better. Since I had NO clue about anything from Intel. I need gpus for gaming, I need cpu for the other stuff.. What's the big deal? How Am I flipping and flopping? Just cuz you don't undersantd doesn't mean Its wrong. You ppl sometimes loose your mind trying to fight the endless war between Intel and AMD. I don't care the brand. I care about the product. Seriously.. Grow up.
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2600k hands down, MONEY IS NeVER THE ISSUE IN OVERCLOCK.net MUHAHAHA
    
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A new CPU is always a few months away.
Not really. The only thing "new" is a higher stock clock speed most of the time. The actual "new" comes in the architecture, where its years apart.
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