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Personally, I don't think this should happen...
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Creating infinite life without understanding what life is.................

it's called


trololololo-lololo-lololo!
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Creating infinite life without understanding what life is.................
But then you'll have time to figure it out. Duh!
 
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So does that mean you don't believe in a soul? Because a soul IMO is not something physical and cannot be destroyed or like a candle and just put out.
I don't believe in the "soul" as something that can exist without the body. Anybody have any evidence (real not speculative holy books) to suggest otherwise?
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A final key point that I would like to throw out there is that he says it is inevitable that we will create computers that can far surpass the human brain. Considering that nobody actually knows the full potential of the human brain, I think its a bit presumptuous to assume that we will create something more powerful then something that we cant actually measure the full power of.
I hope I made a few heads explode there.
You made a lot of good points but I didn't want to disagree with this last one. We DO know the full potential of the human brain, at least practically. We've seen a full range of express intelligence, from people with sub-normal IQ's and people of genius intellect. A lot of the brain has nothing to do with cognition. There are back up mechanisms are far as we can and the brain seems to retain at least some plasticity well into adulthood. That being said, this whole "humans only use 10% of their brain" thing is a myth.

Anyway, one of the points you made that I want to agree with is that a computer simulating a brain is not necessarily the same thing as having a brain. We make a machine that can pass the Turing test, which we can converse with and have it make sense, that doesn't mean the machine understands us, just that it can take an input, run it through a program, and give a suitable response. There is a lot of interesting info out there about this topic.

Anyway, I think all these AI guys are a LOOOONG way off from any of the kinds of things we've found so interesting in science fiction.
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I don't believe in the "soul" as something that can exist without the body. Anybody have any evidence (real not speculative holy books) to suggest otherwise?
You just have to decide for yourself what the soul is. That's the real argument. There's no way to argue that either way though.

All I know is I'll still be me in a new shell.
    
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Remember kids, don't believe everything you read or hear.
Especially if the source is older than 10 years!
    
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You just have to decide for yourself what the soul is. That's the real argument. There's no way to argue that either way though.

All I know is I'll still be me in a new shell.
Is that a pun?


You don't have to understand the brain to emulate it. You just need approximate physics algorithms and a brain image. It might make reverse engineering easier, ironically.
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This isn't a religious discussion by any means. I did not once bring any sort of god or belief of a god into the conversation...
Souls are belief rated, some people think we have souls, some people think we're just a bunch of current running through a body.
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According to that definition a TV is dead when unplugged and alive when plugged in. Are you dead if you brain is steadily replaced with a mechanical replacement too the point where you're original brain no longer exists? Are you dead if cryogenically frozen in a manner where resuscitation is possible? You know, since the brain stops functioning at that point and according to your original response the person would be dead.
Think of it like this: Dead would be if everything in your body no longer functions, like say, if every part of your computer died, HDD, CPU, GPU, motherboard, etc, vs cryogenically frozen being when your HDD at least is fine.

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2045 seems awfully optimistic for the singularity. I would venture he is off by a few hundred years at least. All you have to do is look at Popular Science issues from the mid-20th century to see that progress in certain areas is painfully slow, stops all together, or takes another path. Same holds true today. Just because one area of science is making incredible breakthroughs, others are stuck in theory still. Of course a super-intelligent machine would help in this area, but I think some current physical laws would need to be conquered first to get there. You'll need to do better than electrons to get to the singularity. Once quantum base computers become ubiquitous, then you might be able to start putting a date on when the singularity would be possible. Now it is just conjecture.
I *think* he looked at all the technologies relating to doing this kinda thing, whether it changes or stops randomly is another matter though.

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And they said we'd be living on the moon by the year 2000....
Which we would if the aim of technology was still on the space race.

Like that, the aim of technology could change at any given moment, whether it stays or goes...I'd happily be immortal, while I may not want to literally live forever and choose to die on my own terms later in life, there's many things I wish to see human kind do. (eg. Terraforming, living on another planet, etc)
    
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There are back up mechanisms are far as we can and the brain seems to retain at least some plasticity well into adulthood. That being said, this whole "humans only use 10% of their brain" thing is a myth.
Iunno, have you ever seen clips of Daniel Tammet?

The stuff he can do just blows my mind.
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