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Uhhh wut.

Death is when your brain shuts down. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Your thoughts will be similiar to what they were before you ever existed = NONE. You and your thoughts will cease to exist.
According to that definition a TV is dead when unplugged and alive when plugged in. Are you dead if you brain is steadily replaced with a mechanical replacement too the point where you're original brain no longer exists? Are you dead if cryogenically frozen in a manner where resuscitation is possible? You know, since the brain stops functioning at that point and according to your original response the person would be dead.
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One of you are looking at it in the physical state and the other is looking at it in the mental state. Both have valid arguments and one isn't more right than the other. Both are theories and each have their own merit.
Mental state? I'm looking at it too.

What I'm saying is confirmed fact. What he is saying relates to religion. I won't comment there, but it can't even be called a theory. It's a random thought. I don't deny that there is a feint chance of a soul existing, but for now, I see no reason to believe in one. Until I know something (note: this only refers to questions about life and science and origins) for fact, I don't accept it.

However, I think that there might just be some things in our brains that computers can't capture / record perfectly. I don't believe that WE can ever live forever, since it won't be the same atoms, the same electrical pulses in the computer. It just recorded a flash of happens in my brains and starts running it as a process. Then I'm killed. It's not me in there. It's a copy of me.
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According to that definition a TV is dead when unplugged and alive when plugged in. Are you dead if you brain is steadily replaced with a mechanical replacement too the point where you're original brain no longer exists? Are you dead if cryogenically frozen in a manner where resuscitation is possible? You know, since the brain stops functioning at that point and according to your original response the person would be dead.
It was more like "when your brain shuts down = nothing"

And I was implying that modern medicine can't revive people with dead brains.

My general point was that when you DIE. Not when your brain stops working. When you DIE, your brain stops working and it will be nothing for you. Emptyness. No thoughts, no senses. Nothing
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Soul is a religious concept.

Whatever. I'm out. Said all I can. The rest is just useless bickering.... but I might reply if someone has a good argument
Actually the soul is more of a philosophical concept.
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Actually the soul is more of a philosophical concept.
Depends. I looked at it by the religious concept. The thing that is supernatural YOU.

If you mean soul as a philosophical concept, it's just a reference to MIND. And so, mind is ever changing. It will never be the same. It will be different every day, every hour, every minute, every second. What you experience affects you, how you react to things and how you think.

So why can't we just use mind?
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Guys, focus on the article at hand. For me, I'll rather not live forever, everyone has their time and I'll go when my time passes. Hoping to do some good work before I leave of course
    
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Uhhh wut.

Death is when your brain shuts down. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Your thoughts will be similiar to what they were before you ever existed = NONE. You and your thoughts will cease to exist.
Energy cannot be destroyed.
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OT: I don't want to live forever per say. It's not natural. Everything has a life cycle. Now extending that cycle pushes the bounds of natural but being "immortal" is not something I'm really interested in. When my time comes I'll be ready to go, but until then I'll keep myself happy and healthy and enjoy what I have and not ask for more.
I however would like to live forever...bring on the Augmentation, TheLastPriest is not just a name, I intend to be the last one
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Guys, focus on the article at hand. For me, I'll rather not live forever, everyone has their time and I'll go when my time passes. Hoping to do some good work before I leave of course
We're discussing if it will still be you when you're transferred to a machine

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Energy cannot be destroyed.
But it can change form, it can be organized in a different fashion, it can move, it can do loads of stuff. The energy that made up your thoughts in your brains will not just stay there when you die. When you die, that energy will not reside there staying in the same format. Your thoughts will be gone because the energy that used to make up most of your thoughts will move on from your brains.
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I however would like to live forever...bring on the Augmentation, TheLastPriest is not just a name, I intend to be the last one


Dick Cheney beat you too it. He has no pulse.

Also, I'll continue this discussion when I get home from work.
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