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Not to stir up anything or argue, BUT IN MY OPINION shooting down a person's belief is just like being racist. Not because something currently has no proof that it exists in your view, means that it doesn't have the possibility of being a fact or being true or even that proof for it does or doesn't exist. As with everything you will find some form of evidence suggesting against that person's belief. As has been show throughout history, things take time to be proven as fact or fiction, and each item has its own time to be proved to what category it will fall in. So not because what you believe in has been proven multiple times, don't go around shooting another person's belief. And who gave you the right to be shooting down a person's belief? We all have the right to believe in what we want to...
How is racism similar to skepticism at all? I don't see the correlation.
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post #52 of 121
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Not to stir up anything or argue, BUT IN MY OPINION shooting down a person's belief is just like being racist. Not because something currently has no proof that it exists in your view, means that it doesn't have the possibility of being a fact or being true or even that proof for it does or doesn't exist. As with everything you will find some form of evidence suggesting against that person's belief. As has been show throughout history, things take time to be proven as fact or fiction, and each item has its own time to be proved to what category it will fall in. So not because what you believe in has been proven multiple times, don't go around shooting another person's belief. And who gave you the right to be shooting down a person's belief? We all have the right to believe in what we want to...
Feel free to believe whatever you want to. Don't expect to be coddled and pandered to because you believe in the Easter Bunny at 20 years old. Actually, we have every right to shoot down the beliefs of others, and every single faction, or religion on the planet (save a select few who are kinda hip to everything) does it consistently and relentlessly.

Whatever you believe it, it's defined by what it is, implying that there's an alternative take. No light without dark, brother.

Every person does have the right to believe whatever the hell they want. Nobody can force you to not believe something, however, you are also wide open to ridicule and opposition if there's no veritable proof that what you believe in has any probability of being true...
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How is racism connected to this in any way at all? I don't see the correlation.
not saying it's racist, i'm saying that the overall act of it is connected, which is discrimination
Edited by Jamar16 - 4/5/11 at 2:42pm
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So does that mean you don't believe in a soul? Because a soul IMO is not something physical and cannot be destroyed or like a candle and just put out.
So your soul was created by your parents having sex, but it can't be destroyed? Interesting.

But really religion has no place in a scientific discussion, or anywhere on OCN for that matter.

EDIT: Just saw this was addressed as non-religious. You mean soul as in consciousness? In that case, I will say that no, I don't believe the "soul" lives on. All thinking has been shown to occur within the brain, without a brain I don't see how you would have a consciousness, or intelligence.
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But when you die, your brain lacks the capability of bringing back those same thought patterns back to life, unlike a CPU, which starts with the instructions that it has been given by the ROM on the mobo.

You could say that the information from the "thoughts" of the CPU can be transferred to another device. Yes. But that is a copy. Not the original. The original processes running inside the CPU are gone, replaced by new identical processes (if the CPU is running the same software). It's not the original process, it's a copy.

If you get what I'm saying

...
So a person with amnesia is a different person? Actually, I'm pretty sure a brain has the exact same capability of bringing back though patterns as a CPU since a CPU needs somewhere to get those instructions from. A person develops thought patterns based on their makeup and life experiences. A CPU get it from the computers makeup and data. Kind of the same thing.

Like the human brain it isn't always possible to get a CPU back into a particular state. Random data corruption and what not.
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Feel free to believe whatever you want to. Don't expect to be coddled and pandered to because you believe in the Easter Bunny at 20 years old. Actually, we have every right to shoot down the beliefs of others, and every single faction, or religion on the planet (save a select few who are kinda hip to everything) does it consistently and relentlessly.

Whatever you believe it, it's defined by what it is, implying that there's an alternative take. No light without dark, brother.

Every person does have the right to believe whatever the hell they want. Nobody can force you to not believe something, however, you are also wide open to ridicule and opposition if there's no veritable proof that what you believe in has any probability of being true...
As i said, IMO...
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not saying it's racist, i'm saying that the overall act of it is connected, which is discrimination
We discriminate on a daily basis tho, and religious discrimination is far less severe than racial discrimination (in theory anyway).. I just don't think it's a fair comparison.. Religion is a set of beliefs that change all the time whereas race is something that's fairly static that some one cannot change.

We debate beliefs all the time because many are flawed and can be amended or changed all together.. Attacking a person's race is far more severe because that's something they can never alter no matter how much they'd like to.
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We discriminate on a daily basis tho, and religious discrimination is far less severe than racial discrimination (in theory anyway).. I just don't think it's a fair comparison.. Religion is a set of beliefs that change all the time whereas race is something that's fairly static that some one cannot change.

We debate beliefs all the time because many are flawed and can be amended or changed all together.. Attacking a person's race is far more severe because that's something they can never alter no matter how much they'd like to.
Keep in mind that i wasn't specifying to religious beliefs, i am was speaking on a general basis. A belief is not limited to religion alone...Yea we do discriminate on basically everything we do on a daily basis.... many simple things such as where we shop can be said to be some form of discrimination.
Edited by Jamar16 - 4/5/11 at 3:03pm
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So your soul was created by your parents having sex, but it can't be destroyed? Interesting.

But really religion has no place in a scientific discussion, or anywhere on OCN for that matter.

EDIT: Just saw this was addressed as non-religious. You mean soul as in consciousness? In that case, I will say that no, I don't believe the "soul" lives on. All thinking has been shown to occur within the brain, without a brain I don't see how you would have a consciousness, or intelligence.
My definition of a soul is relative to that of consciousness. Not exactly the same but I cannot find the words to describe what it means to me.

And no my soul was not created by my parents, but instead they were just the tool of delivery into this physical world.

As I believe there are higher realms which can be accessed through things like hallucinogenics, and meditation, as a sort of an "alternate" reality. But whose to say that those experiences aren't reality, as we experience it, it would make it a reality for that individual.

To me the consciousness lives on forever and just takes alternate forms later on.

It explains many things for me like things of deja-vu, and those strange unexplainable like you've known someone forever but never met the person before, just as an example.

Again this is my opinion, and I cannot prove what I said to be fact nor can it be proved to be fiction.
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My definition of a soul is relative to that of consciousness. Not exactly the same but I cannot find the words to describe what it means to me.

And no my soul was not created by my parents, but instead they were just the tool of delivery into this physical world.

As I believe there are higher realms which can be accessed through things like hallucinogenics, and meditation, as a sort of an "alternate" reality. But whose to say that those experiences aren't reality, as we experience it, it would make it a reality for that individual.

To me the consciousness lives on forever and just takes alternate forms later on.

It explains many things for me like things of deja-vu, and those strange unexplainable like you've known someone forever but never met the person before, just as an example.

Again this is my opinion, and I cannot prove what I said to be fact nor can it be proved to be fiction.
Those are some interesting theories. Not sure how we can really discuss them in relation to the topic at hand, they are simply beliefs with nothing to back them up (an opinion, like you've said).
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