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I am fairly new to ocing. I would like to pick the brains of those more knowledgeable than myself.
System:
MSI 785GN-E51 Mobo

AMD Athlon II X4 (was a x3) 440

Corsair H50 Liquid cooler

Crucial CT25664BA1339.M8SF DDR3 RAM 8-8-8-22 RAM

PNY Verto Geforce 210 GPU

WD 1.5Tb caviar Green HDD

LG Blu Ray Burner

Apevia 500watt PSU (which during tests moves voltage around from 12 to 11.7! don't know how big an issue this is???)

I am not looking to go radical on this OC. I want to go to 3.6 or 3.4.. Which from what I have read is totally within reason.
I have gotten it to 3.3MHz by increasing FSB but after running Prime95 for 15min it looses output to my monitor. I think My RAM is my weak link.(I think lol) Where is the best place to start? I am unable to change cpu frequency other than by FSB. Or am I going about this all wrong? I am nowhere close to a "knowledgeable person when it comes to OCing. Any advice or pointers would be greatly appreciated. I am planning on using this PC for A media center, ripping/burning movies/cds, decoding movies....you get the point.
I look forward to your advice!!
    
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Im assuming your athlon is at 3.0GHZ? well if you want to go to 3.4 or 3.6 you probably wont need to up the volts too much.. Also generic ram is never the best for OCing but it can be done...

what voltage are you at?
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currently I am at 1.35v
    
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This is a experiment to see how well it goes. I may go higher. I want it to be stable, stable stable. Like a rock!! Not to mention it is a great time!
Edited by tomrdiedrich - 4/5/11 at 4:17pm
    
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Overclocking an x4 processor at 95-125W with aftermarket CPU cooling on an MSI unheatsinked & totally uncooled 4+1 phase board with no over-current protection, and on a low quality power supply.... something I can't exactly say safe there, buddy
See dark red link in sig for more info on why this could be dangerous. It pertains to VRM quality.
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OK, so I made bad choice buying the board I did. What is the best solution at this point? Wait it out save some cash and buy a new board? which one? Is there any other option? This is the reason I came here. I am a novice! What would be the best course of action from this point?? Do you really think MOSFET heatsink will fix this potential issue?
Edited by tomrdiedrich - 4/5/11 at 5:40pm
    
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Originally Posted by tomrdiedrich View Post
I am nowhere close to a "knowledgeable person when it comes to OCing. Any advice or pointers would be greatly appreciated.
Check this out:
Dolk's Guide to the Phenom II - Yeah, it focuses on Phenom II processors but most of it is applicable to Athlons as well. This thread provides a good knowledge base about AMD overclocking.

Also, I would google reviews about your processor and motherboard. Most reviews have an overclocking section, which might provide some good info.
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post #8 of 11
Your best choice (to unlock/overclock) would be to get a new board, but you could always make do with the processor at stock. In fact, that's what I'd do, and wait to overclock & buy a new board until AM3+ boards (with Bulldozer expandability) are out. Members of OCN and I have found that MOSFET heatsinks don't really help much on MSI boards due to the low temperature rating/quality of NIKOS MOSFETs and lack of Over Current Protection, and that MSI boards will very often blow anyway. Good examples are the 870A-G54 and 890GXM-G65.
post #9 of 11
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If these boards are so crappy why do they boast the OC switch and the OC friendly bios? It is like they encourage it! (Here comes the conspiracy!) They have to know about these issues!It is there business to know? Has to be to sell more boards? You OC blow your board, think you messed up and buy a new one!! W,T,F!!??!!?? Do you think at stock that the PSU is going to be a issue? It drops .10volts during startup of prime95 at stock and at OC. Is this common? Stays around 11.80-11.78volts. Thanks for all your help. I will make sure to do more research on this site before my next build to hopefully have a little fun tweaking my next system. If the PSU is not a reliable / good one, what is a good one that will not break the bank? Considering the system I am running.
Edited by tomrdiedrich - 4/6/11 at 5:15pm
    
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Regarding your first post, try lowering the ram frequency by using a memory divider since you think the ram may be a limitation. If your FSB/DRAM ratio is 1:1, then you may be pushing the memory too hard while overclocking. I read through many of the board's reviews off newegg, it seems decent enough overclocking wise. Be careful and have fun!
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