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First time for me doing water and i have a few questions.

I have a phantom case which i think is going to be my biggest limitation with water (space for rads)

My primary focus is getting my 5870's cooled down with that said here are my questions and first round draft picks.

Questions:
1) Noise - As someone who currently has max fans in my case i am used to a considerable amount of noise. However how reasonable is it to think i will have minimal noise with water (using this as a primary selling point to get wife on board with the cost)

2) Barbs.. compression fittings.. tube size oh my.. are compression fittings noob friendly? 1/2" tube size - bigger = better?

3) I've seen the swiftech rads with res and pump build in, this a good route or something to avoid?

4) One rad or two? I dont believe i can fit a RX360 in the top of the phantom, though i do read people are having success with the rs360 and some modifications. But with 1cpu/2gpu will i need to res?

5) along with the above question do i need two loops?

Part picks so far:
1) I'm partial to the XSPC bay reservoirs, but i also see alot of cylinder reservoirs - are one better than the other?

2) full blocks for 5870 - i've been recommended the XSPC Razer full blocks which right now are a steal at $59.99 each - However i am partial to the looks of my modded stock coolers so am leaning towards the nickel EK blocks w/ nickel backplates (i like shiny things) - any thoughts on this? /EDIT/ i just seen in another picture they kept the stock backplates, is that an option?

3) CPU block - Swiftech apogee xt - again thoughts/recommendations


My understanding is i need:
res
pump
rad
fans for rad
fan controller for fans (i have a NZXT sentry atm and Phantom fan controller)
tubing (i like - this)
barbs or compression fittings 2 per piece from above
gpu blocks
adapter to connect the two blocks
cpu block
kill coil
water additive?
t split
flow meter
drain plug

Ugh I feel as though my head is going to explode.. help?
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1) Noise - About the same unless you switch to quieter fans. I stayed with the same amount of fans when I went WC.

2) Neither are too hard. For tube sizing you should be fine with anything, just the bigger stuff doesn't kink as easily. Not much of a thermal diff. between 1/2" ID and 5/8" ID.

3) No experience with these, though generally I would say a regular res is a good idea.

4) You will need at least a 360 rad with that setup.

5) One loop should be sufficient.

Part picks so far:

1) A res is a res. It holds water. Only difference is if it acts as a pump top as well like mine does. I have the bay res + mcp355 top.

2) No experience with full blocks, but I have seen tests where the razers perform extremely well.

3) CPU block - Swiftech apogee xt - not the best block around. For the price I would recommend XSPC Rasa block. But I own one so I may be a little biased.


Hope this helps somewhat. Watercooling can definitely be done in your case, not sure about an internal 360 rad but with modding anything is possible - I was even able to shove a full loop in my mid-tower case! Good luck.


EDIT: I assume by additive you mean like biocide? You won't need that AND a killcoil. You also don't really need a flow meter unless you wanna get fancy. Its really up to you, I put a psi gauge in my loop just for the heck of it

The rest of your parts list is correct.
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1) If you have sufficient cooling power from your radiators, you'll be able to use quiet fans.

2) Just get barbs - Bitspower is my choice. Also, I'm using 3/8" x 1/2" tubing and love it. The 1/2" x 3/4" I used before was much more frustrating to work with.

3) I wouldn't get it.

4) I have one RX240 for my 5870 and it's more than enough. I would guess a RX360 would work fine, but a RS360, especially with low-speed fans, might not be satisfactory.

5) One loop is good.

The type of reservoir doesn't matter, but it might be convenient to place the res/pump in a couple 5.25" bays to save space.

Most full-cover blocks will provide good enough cooling, so if the shininess is worth it, go ahead and get nickel-plated blocks.

Like Punisher said, the XSPC Rasa block is a great buy. EK's Supreme HF is a popular top-end block as well. However, there are many other blocks that rank very close in performance (including the Swiftech XT), so there's no harm buying whichever of those you like the best.
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How much is your i7 overclocked/overvolted? I think with that plus the two gpus you're going to be putting a lot of heat into the loop. If you want to dissipate it effectively with low-noise fans you're going to possibly need a 360 plus something else like a 240 rad. I could be wrong though.
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Originally Posted by Stizuner View Post
First time for me doing water and i have a few questions.

I have a phantom case which i think is going to be my biggest limitation with water (space for rads)
Can't speak on that as I dunno the Phantom well other than it is pretty nice looking lol

Quote:

My primary focus is getting my 5870's cooled down with that said here are my questions and first round draft picks.

Questions:
1) Noise - As someone who currently has max fans in my case i am used to a considerable amount of noise. However how reasonable is it to think i will have minimal noise with water (using this as a primary selling point to get wife on board with the cost)
with the right radiator and some medium to low speed fans(1000-1400rpm) you could easily lower the sound.

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2) Barbs.. compression fittings.. tube size oh my.. are compression fittings noob friendly? 1/2" tube size - bigger = better?
Not a huge difference but the Primoflex at 1/2id 3/4"OD is perfectly fine-it's the same stuff I am using for my newest build - plus I think the white looks sexy. Fittings - although more expensive, go with the Bitspower stuff. Compression fittings are fine and easy enough to use.

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3) I've seen the swiftech rads with res and pump build in, this a good route or something to avoid?
Can't say I have ever seen a radiator with the pump and res together. I have seen radiators with a reservoir built in which is fine - limits some things you can do due to orientation necessary. Personally I would choose separation on all 3 (I currently use a bay res with pump combo and have decided keeping them separate provides for easier upgrading paths) Although if you have a space issue a res/pump combo or a reservoir top that fits on a pump is fine as well. Reservoirs aren't totally needed but make filling a loop and such easier.

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4) One rad or two? I dont believe i can fit a RX360 in the top of the phantom, though i do read people are having success with the rs360 and some modifications. But with 1cpu/2gpu will i need to res?

5) along with the above question do i need two loops?
I would try to put a 360 and a 240 in one single loop. Temperatures will normalize in one single loop and make life easier on you as far as figuring out where to run tubes. Also check out skinnees article on radiators and find the one that best suites both your desired goal AND fits physical dimensions best. http://skinneelabs.com/triple-radiator-comparison-v2/4/

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Part picks so far:
1) I'm partial to the XSPC bay reservoirs, but i also see alot of cylinder reservoirs - are one better than the other?
Cylinder reservoirs are usually for looks or to mount internal. Bay reservoirs are nice if you lack case space but have 5.25 bay space. You could also purchase a Micro res (swiftech I believe). I went with an IandH Stealthres for the looks and to mount internal. All preference and based on what you have to work with in terms of space since all reservoirs come in difference sizes and configurations from small to large to extreme! XSPC tends to offer many variations of reservoir choices from all in ones all the way to add your own pump and even aftermarket pump tops that have a reservoir attached so you can purchase a DDC pump or a D5 pump.

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2) full blocks for 5870 - i've been recommended the XSPC Razer full blocks which right now are a steal at $59.99 each - However i am partial to the looks of my modded stock coolers so am leaning towards the nickel EK blocks w/ nickel backplates (i like shiny things) - any thoughts on this? /EDIT/ i just seen in another picture they kept the stock backplates, is that an option?
Choose your block accordingly http://skinneelabs.com/gtx480-full-c...ock-roundup/5/

Whether or not you can keep a stock backplate depends on the way the block you choose mounts and on the sli/cfx bridge for the waterblocksand whether or not they get in the way. EK is good but be aware they have had some minor problems with the nickel plating peeling on some blocks.

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3) CPU block - Swiftech apogee xt - again thoughts/recommendations
This block is in the current top 5 of cpu blocks and there is a very minor difference in temps between all of the top 5. Choose based on looks/cost preferences. Having owned an Apogee XT thought I will say I love the look and LOVE LOVE LOVE the mounting system.


Not gonna comment on your list - but be careful, this can and will get expensive unless you start with a small kit - going full boat is heavy on the wallet!
    
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Answers to Questions:
1.) As stated noise will be the same unless you switch to quieter dB fans.

2.) Generally the tubing inner diameter(ID) = barb/compression size. For compressions you have to look at the outer diameter(OD) as well. The one exception for this is the 7/16" tubing on 1/2" Barbs *Note: compressions you will need 7/16" compressions.* Clamps are suggested for barbs better safe than sorry.

3.) I would avoid all in one rads I just don't trust them.

4.) A general rule of thumb 1.5-2 fans per rad unit. E.X. A cpu and gpu loop would need a 360 or 240+120 rad. So 2 gpu and a cpu you would be looking at a 480 or 360+120/240.

5.) 2 loops = more effort to maintain + it will cost you a 2nd pump.

Parts:
1.) Reservoirs are picked based on looks/functionality completely up to you.

2.) Most ATI cards have the back plate you might be able to buy a different finished back plate if you want. Full coverage cards are highly recommended unless you cant fit a reference one in which case are are looking at a universal block and heat-sinks.

3.) EK HF supreme and Koolance 370 are the king and queen atm. The Rasa block is a great alternative if you don't want to pay that high of a price for the first 2.

For a CPU GPU loop you will need reservoir, pump, rad ,cpu block, gpu block(s) and sli-connector for 2 gpus, tubing, fans, kill coil or pt nuke, barbs/clamps or compressions, ad tubing.

Optional parts are fill/drain ports/T-lines, fan controllers, flow meter, dye(recommend against it).
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1. Gentle Typhoon 1850 rpm fans.
2. Bitspower compression fittings.
3. I agree with Arksniper on this.
4. I have a 360 and 240 in one loop, works great.
5. 1 loop.

I have the ek blocks with the nickel backplates and it looks good.
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Ok things have gotten much clearer, thank you

It appears the gentle typhoon 1850's are pretty much unavailable outside of ebay which is like $30 a pop.. dont think im going to buy 12 at double the the price... any other recommendations?

http://www.svc.com/ixp-74-14.html

SilenX IXP 74-14 Ixtrema Pro 72cfm 14dba
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Yate Loon Low-Speeds can be had for extremely cheap and are quiet. While their static pressure isn't as good as the GentleTyphoons they could still perform well depending on whhich rad(s) you end up going with.
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Originally Posted by Stizuner View Post
Ok things have gotten much clearer, thank you

It appears the gentle typhoon 1850's are pretty much unavailable outside of ebay which is like $30 a pop.. dont think im going to buy 12 at double the the price... any other recommendations?
Wait a week or two - many places are restocking soon.
    
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