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A PII 820 is basically a rebadged Athlon x4 620 (or whatever the stock speed version is since they're the same chip)

Wrong. Do some research before you post. The Athlon II X4 620 is a completely different chip from the Phenom II X4 820. The Phenom II X4 820 is based on the Deneb die and has 4MB of cache when locked (6MB when unlocked) and the Athlon II X4 620 is based on the Propus die and has no L3 cache. Apart from that, the IMC in the Phenom is better.
    
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Wrong. Do some research before you post. The Athlon II X4 620 is a completely different chip from the Phenom II X4 820. The Phenom II X4 820 is based on the Deneb die and has 4MB of cache when locked (6MB when unlocked) and the Athlon II X4 620 is based on the Propus die and has no L3 cache. Apart from that, the IMC in the Phenom is better.
You should do some research before you post... Some people actually unlocked 6Mb of L3 cache on Athlon x4's
I Unlocked 1 core and L3 cache on my brother's Rena 435
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post #13 of 24
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You should do some research before you post... Some people actually unlocked 6Mb of L3 cache on Athlon x4's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJ0x40q8B8

I Unlocked 1 core and L3 cache on my brother's Rena 435
Propus die =/= Deneb die
    
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Propus die =/= Deneb die
You sure?

http://www.cpu-world.com/info/AMD/Un...es_and_L3.html

Even though processors may say they are Propus, Regor, Rena they can be Deneb.
Edited by WannaBeOCer - 4/8/11 at 9:40pm
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You sure?

http://www.cpu-world.com/info/AMD/Un...es_and_L3.html

Even though processors may say they are Propus, Regor, Rena they can be Deneb.
Some are deneb and some are propus.
    
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You should do some research before you post... Some people actually unlocked 6Mb of L3 cache on Athlon x4's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJ0x40q8B8

I Unlocked 1 core and L3 cache on my brother's Rena 435
Because those aren't Athlons to begin with. Those were Phenom IIs that had defective cache/cores when the Propus die started to be manufactured and were sold as "Athlons" so that they could 1)meet demand at that price range and 2)not completely lose money by throwing out what would normally classify as a bad chip. That only lasted for less than a month, and ALL Athlon II X4s afterwards were based on the Propus die.

Again, do some research. That's a Phenom II that's being given the Athlon II name. Same thing for this new "Phenom" II X4 840, which in reality is an Athlon II X4.
    
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You sure?

http://www.cpu-world.com/info/AMD/Un...es_and_L3.html

Even though processors may say they are Propus, Regor, Rena they can be Deneb.
If there's one thing I hate it's ignorant people. Stop saying this crap. No, Deneb is not Propus. Propus is a die based on the K10.5 architecture but has a lot less transistors and a smaller die size than Deneb due to it having NO L3 cache. Any Athlon II that has locked L3 cache is based on the Deneb die, not the Propus die.
    
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Because those aren't Athlons to begin with. Those were Phenom IIs that had defective cache/cores when the Propus die started to be manufactured and were sold as "Athlons" so that they could 1)meet demand at that price range and 2)not completely lose money by throwing out what would normally classify as a bad chip. That only lasted for less than a month, and ALL Athlon II X4s afterwards were based on the Propus die.

Again, do some research. That's a Phenom II that's being given the Athlon II name. Same thing for this new "Phenom" II X4 840, which in reality is an Athlon II X4.
I did my research... you said Athlon II X4 620 does not have L3 on it at all, I proved you wrong.

It looks like you just read the article I posted earlier... and act like you've known this forever.

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If there's one thing I hate it's ignorant people. Stop saying this crap. No, Deneb is not Propus. Propus is a die based on the K10.5 architecture but has a lot less transistors and a smaller die size than Deneb due to it having NO L3 cache. Any Athlon II that has locked L3 cache is based on the Deneb die, not the Propus die.
How am I acting ignorant? All I said was some code named processors propus/regor may be Deneb. Did you want me to list out all the Athlon names instead?
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I did my research... you said Athlon II X4 620 does not have L3 on it at all, I proved you wrong.

It looks like you just read the article I posted earlier... and act like you've known this forever.



How am I acting ignorant? All I said was some code named processors propus/regor may be Deneb. Did you want me to list out all the Athlon names instead?
You're not getting it. If it has the Cache it is a Deneb in disguise. Propus does not have L3 cache. If an Athlon II unlocks the cache it was never a Propus, but a gimped Deneb.

Just because it was sold as an Athlon II and reported by CPUz as a Propus doesn't mean anything.

If the Cahce is unlocked it is no longer an Athlon II by name either, but a Phenom II. Don't think I've seen an Athlon II with L3 cache.
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You're not getting it. If it has the Cache it is a Deneb in disguise. Propus does not have L3 cache. If an Athlon II unlocks the cache it was never a Propus, but a gimped Deneb.

Just because it was sold as an Athlon II and reported by CPUz as a Propus doesn't mean anything.

If the Cahce is unlocked it is no longer an Athlon II by name either, but a Phenom II. Don't think I've seen an Athlon II with L3 cache.
I do get it but people like you keep accusing me of not understanding it... All I'm saying is Some Athlon II processors do have Deneb cores in them. My brothers Athlon II 435 changed to a Phenom II when I unlocked the core and cache. So yes they are Phenoms in disguised.

You may want to check that video up there because it still says Athlon II with 6MB of L3 cache.
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