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ok i picked up a Gigabyte Mobo and i have a Core 2 E4500. I know its Not the best Mobo for OC..but im on a budget.

Now, i cant even get close to the OC Standard of 3.2GHZ from 2.2, and Duo's are good for 1Ghz OC i have googled it. Can only get 2.42....have tried Everything....Vcore Up and Down....FSB...Muti....RAM Volts....etc.

Here is my Specs:

-Gigabyte G41M-ES2L Mobo
-500W PSU
-Core 2 Duo E4500 CPU (Gotta a Aftermarket Cooler so Overheating not an issue)
-4GB (2x2GB) Samsung DDR2 667/800 Mhz RAM
-PNY 9800GTX/GTX+
-2 HDD and a DVD/CD Drive.

If anybody knows this Mobo well can you give me Step By Step Directions in BIOS to get to at least the EASY OC of 3.2...no Vcore change is supposed to be necessary...but open to ANY Ideas.

Thanks.
 
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45nm core2 duos and anything similar in the same process node are the ones capable of easily doing 1ghz overclocks at stock voltages. 65 nm cores are not so forgiving, which is what you have.

First off, lower the ram divider to the lowest possible speed, and increase ram voltage to 2v. 2v is safe, if a little high, for ram, but is fine for the long term. This gets the ram out of the way. Lock the PCI-E bus to 100mhz. Then SLOWLY begin increasing the core clock until you run into the wall again. Increase vcore and all values underneath it. Max out reference voltage, and the FSB (i think, its between vcore and reference) voltage should be fairly close to what your core voltage is set at. If you set core voltage to 1.4v, set FSB to same. See if that works. If it doesnt, then its entirely possible you got a dud. At which case i will point you to a nice wolfdale dual core, which in all senses is effectively the same as what you got right now, only in 45nm form.
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Thanks. that was well said and took time to write..thanks again. smile.gif i will try that.

and if i Upgrade...it will be Core 2 Quad. So what do you suggest at a cheap price? Cuz i'm not going for the OC Record or nothing..lol
 
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G41/P41/3 has a FSB wall at about 410-420, so keep under that for best results

This should be fine for 3.2, some of these settings may not be on your board so just ignore if they are missing.
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CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 11
Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0
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CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 290Mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100

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CPU Referen.&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;....0.755V*.......: <<< .64% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly 

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Originally Posted by lsdmeasap;13019547 
G41/P41/3 has a FSB wall at about 410-420, so keep under that for best results

This should be fine for 3.2, some of these settings may not be on your board so just ignore if they are missing.

The Gigabyte G41M-ES2L has an FSB wall of 1360 rated (or 340). The maximum you'll be able to push with an E4500 is 3.74 Ghz, same as I could do with my E6500 when I had that board.

The processor FSB is "quad pumped" (so 333*4 = 1333 rated FSB) while RAM is "double pumped" (333*2 = 666 RAM speed). The key to overclocking on this board is to try to get the RAM and FSB to match up BEFORE they get pumped. So let's say you have RAM rated at 800 mhz, and you're trying to push your processor to 3.2 Ghz. 3200/11 gives you an FSB of 291. This means that you need to underclock your RAM to 582 (291*2). Increase voltage until you get it stable. If you dare, you can try to push it to the max (1360 rated FSB, 680 RAM) but it'll require a bit of voltage for that.
Edited by Flying Toilet - 4/5/11 at 11:02pm
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Originally Posted by Flying Toilet;13019647 
The Gigabyte G41M-ES2L has an FSB wall of 1360 rated (or 340).

wrong. Ive done 1600 rated FSB on this board during an overclocking run with my current setup minus the ram (was running on a 1GB stick of Crucial Ballistix, got that sucker all the way to 1066). Shoot, im doing 1372mhz rated right now, and the reason i dont go faster is because my ram sucks. Get me a good kit of ram and id be more than willing to do it again.
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Ok Update.

I am at 3.02 Ghz...Problem is...its ONLY Stable at 1.45+....i assume thats not ideal? and would a Full 1.5 be ok to get it to 3.33Ghz or is it to risky?

...Also, would i gain anything with a Lower Muti and a Higher FSB?

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Ok Update.

I am at 3.02 Ghz...Problem is...its ONLY Stable at 1.45+....i assume thats not ideal? and would a Full 1.5 be ok to get it to 3.33Ghz or is it to risky?

...Also, would i gain anything with a Lower Muti and a Higher FSB?

Thanks smile.gif
id say its rather risky. Not as bad on a 45nm processor, but id still not want to do it at that voltage for any extended period of time. 1.45v should be fine

and as for running a higher FSB/lower multi, the advantage of doing this is that the processor rarely has to wait for fresh data for the cache. it can send and recieve data sooner, which increases performance, not to mention it increases the amount of data overall which can be sent in a set time period. The disadvantage though is the memory and chipset subsystems are put under more strain, which can ultimately lead to instability.

try 375x8 (should be exactly 3ghz). This will get you a rated FSB of 1500mhz. If that doesnt work, 333x9 will get you 2997mhz core clock.
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That board is a crappy overclocker. I have killed one with a Q6600. There are not heatsinks on the MOSFETS, and not enough phases.

Your only chance is to goose the volts on the NB, and even then you'll hit a wall just over 400FSB, and you BETTER get cooling on the NB and FETs or you'll be seeing smoke.
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Originally Posted by 2thAche;13077598 
That board is a crappy overclocker. I have killed one with a Q6600. There are not heatsinks on the MOSFETS, and not enough phases.

Your only chance is to goose the volts on the NB, and even then you'll hit a wall just over 400FSB, and you BETTER get cooling on the NB and FETs or you'll be seeing smoke.

....that makes me feel like i wasted $100 on this board...frown.gif but will add a fan right on top of my NB, and my Zalman should be blowing on the FETS...*crosses fingers*

(Cyrious) ok will try the Those 2 FSB/Muti ideas....i am still shooting for 3.2+ btw...
 
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