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Thanks everyone for helping. I have finally settled with this config

AMD Phenom II X4 840 Processor 3.2Ghz Socket AM3
Gigabyte GA-MA78LMT-S2 AMD760G AM3 DDR3
2 x Corsair VS2GB1333D3 2GB Value Select CL9
Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 16MB Cache SATA II
CoolerMaster Elite 334 w/ 420W PSU
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5770 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E
LG GH-22LS50 22X LightScribe Black SATA DVD Writer

Total = $749 Incl GST and Delivery

http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/foru...m=22939&#22939

Feel free to give feedbacks.

Thanks to Billy at Computer Lounge for making this happen
Edited by nGm@ze - 4/9/11 at 2:54pm
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post #22 of 44
Looks great. You will be much happier having gone with the 5770.
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post #23 of 44
You could've possibly gotten 1600Mhz RAM for the same price
And a better board, I wouldn't trust that for any OC-ing due to known VRM problems and 3+1 phase (though the CPU is 95W TDP and at stock should be fine)

Then again this is New Zealand I have no clue about parts availability or prices

However there is one thing completely wrong with this built and it is the included power supply. I have the same model. Doesn't look to be video card ready at all really - it's of a very old design. Only 16A max on the 12V rail (192W) so you would be more than maxing this out with a 95W quad core, a ~95W 5770, and when everything else i.e. mobo, chipset & fans are counted. Plus there's no 6-pin PCI-E connector. You need a new & different power supply.
Edited by xd_1771 - 4/9/11 at 1:51pm
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You could've possibly gotten 1600Mhz RAM for the same price
And a better board, I wouldn't trust that for any OC-ing due to known VRM problems and 3+1 phase (though the CPU is 95W TDP and at stock should be fine)

Then again this is New Zealand I have no clue about parts availability or prices

However there is one thing completely wrong with this built and it is the included power supply. I have the same model. Doesn't look to be video card ready at all really - it's of a very old design. Only 16A max on the 12V rail (192W) so you would be more than maxing this out with a 95W quad core, a ~95W 5770, and when everything else i.e. mobo, chipset & fans are counted. Plus there's no 6-pin PCI-E connector. You need a new & different power supply.
After a reconsideration I would have to go back to the drawing board again . U scared me back there alright. Because I thought the 5770 would run alright with that PSU as the 5770 is a low power GPU anyways. Expecting to produce 300W at least. Now, idk what to do.
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post #25 of 44
Well, I'm sorry I couldn't get to you about this right away.

You could've researched the exact TDP of all parts. That's what I usually do. GPUs and CPUs get power from 12V; doing the research for you, the x4 840 is a 95W max TDP, and the 5770 max TDP is 108W. These two alone would trip the 12V rail. Count the motherboard chipset, components, fans, and you're now well above 220W. Count the power supply's efficiency rating...... yep, you are way beyond. Definitely a lot to consider. This is why most people overspend and get PSUs way more than needed.

You also should've looked at the details of that PSU i.e. did a google search... it's rated 420W, but only has the 16A (so 192W) on the 12V rail. I know this from owning the PSU (though I got it with an Elite 331, which is pretty close to this case) but this info is also available online.

Not to throw you off or rub it in but I'm saying, computer components choice requires serious research. When I first purchased Hexagonal [sig build] in Sept 09, I wrecked my entire summer researching the perfect parts for my build. Sorry if it's an inconvenience to you, but I'd rather you waste $200 or so returning and reconfiguring the PC than waste the entire $750 when the PSU fails and takes a lot with it (as is the case with most PSU failures).

If it helps you feel better (i.e. you worry that the better power supply need will result in not being able to fit an x4 into the budget), $750 is actually pretty good. In America or Canada you'd be able to get a solid AMD PC with $750 and in nearby Australia you wouldn't be far behind. You'll just have to keep searching for the best prices/parts choice. I'd help but I'm unfamiliar with New Zealand computer stores.
Edited by xd_1771 - 4/9/11 at 3:01pm
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Well, I'm sorry I couldn't get to you about this right away.

You could've researched the exact TDP of all parts. That's what I usually do. GPUs and CPUs get power from 12V; doing the research for you, the x4 840 is a 95W max TDP, and the 5770 max TDP is 108W. These two alone would trip the 12V rail. Count the motherboard chipset, components, fans, and you're now well above 220W. Count the power supply's efficiency rating...... yep, you are way beyond. Definitely a lot to consider. This is why most people overspend and get PSUs way more than needed.

You also should've looked at the details of that PSU i.e. did a google search... it's rated 420W, but only has the 16A (so 192W) on the 12V rail. I know this from owning the PSU (though I got it with an Elite 331, which is pretty close to this case) but this info is also available online.

Not to throw you off or rub it in but I'm saying, computer components choice requires serious research. When I first purchased Hexagonal [sig build] in Sept 09, I wrecked my entire summer researching the perfect parts for my build. Sorry if it's an inconvenience to you, but I'd rather you waste $200 or so returning and reconfiguring the PC than waste the entire $750 when the PSU fails and takes a lot with it (as is the case with most PSU failures).

If it helps you feel better (i.e. you worry that the better power supply need will result in not being able to fit an x4 into the budget), $750 is actually pretty good. In America or Canada you'd be able to get a solid AMD PC with $750 and in nearby Australia you wouldn't be far behind. You'll just have to keep searching for the best prices/parts choice. I'd help but I'm unfamiliar with New Zealand computer stores.
Sorry, that I couldn't reply right away mate.

If u want to help out please use these two stores for parts as I live closer to them and have a good reputation in NZ.

http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/

http://www.pcforce.co.nz/
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post #27 of 44
The prices are so high that I worry I won't be able to find anything for you
It might help if I could know how much the Elite 334/PSU cost, so I could see what I can find as close to that as possible.
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The prices are so high that I worry I won't be able to find anything for you
It might help if I could know how much the Elite 334/PSU cost, so I could see what I can find as close to that as possible.
Here is the cost of the Elite 334/PSU http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/comp...sp?partid=9258

And also u could use this site for the prices as well as I had good experience buying from them http://www.ascent.co.nz/

Sorry for the late reply, Obviously I haven't been constantly checking
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post #29 of 44
I found something for you
Coolermaster Extreme Plus 460W power supply - $70.79 - Still a Coolermaster but this is a newer, much better lineup and has 36A on the 12V rail, would be much more suitable for your build than the ones included in the Elites that are in actuality "Thermal Master" low end units that can really only do 300-350W.
Gigabyte GZ-PD - $55.75 - only case I could find that would allow you to remain at $135 or within, but it's pretty much the same kind of internal layout the Elite 334 offers, not too much difference

$126.54

A few more suggestions I'd like to make:

Antec Two Hundred v2 case - $78.66 - If you want to have good airflow in this case and a better layout (i.e. bottom PSU) this is the way to go

Since a $7 difference wouldn't be as big consideirng overall RAM prices in New Zealand I'd also go ahead and swap that RAM you ordered for this A-Ram 2x2GB 1600Mhz kit (if you haven't ordered yet and swapping the RAM choice doens't put you through any trouble). Hey, 1600Mhz RAM for $7 more, considering overall New Zealand prices I say it's worth the difference. Might hold up better if he decides to OC.

I don't mind the late replies by the way, I understand we live in very different time zones among other things.
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I found something for you
Coolermaster Extreme Plus 460W power supply - $70.79 - Still a Coolermaster but this is a newer, much better lineup and has 36A on the 12V rail, would be much more suitable for your build than the ones included in the Elites that are in actuality "Thermal Master" low end units that can really only do 300-350W.
Gigabyte GZ-PD - $55.75 - only case I could find that would allow you to remain at $135 or within, but it's pretty much the same kind of internal layout the Elite 334 offers, not too much difference

$126.54

A few more suggestions I'd like to make:

Antec Two Hundred v2 case - $78.66 - If you want to have good airflow in this case and a better layout (i.e. bottom PSU) this is the way to go

Since a $7 difference wouldn't be as big consideirng overall RAM prices in New Zealand I'd also go ahead and swap that RAM you ordered for this A-Ram 2x2GB 1600Mhz kit (if you haven't ordered yet and swapping the RAM choice doens't put you through any trouble). Hey, 1600Mhz RAM for $7 more, considering overall New Zealand prices I say it's worth the difference. Might hold up better if he decides to OC.

I don't mind the late replies by the way, I understand we live in very different time zones among other things.
I was thinking something similar to this as well having a Antec two hundred and another PSU which should cost similar to the Elite 344. Maybe if I try submit a price match to the guys at CL and c what r they gonna do about it.
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