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Core 2 is a redesigned based off of Pentium M.


Architecturally, the K8, K10, and K10.5 are closely related.
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Right. Up until that point, the Pentium 4 and D series had been based off Netburst and its long pipeline.

Core architecture went back to P6 architecture of the Pentium M, which scaled back the size of its pipeline.

I am probably missing a bunch of other crap that they added, but those are the cliffnotes. I had a prescott@3.6 and it was HOT.
yup. and the M was based on the P3 execution core.
    
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Read the article man.... :|



It's a big deal because AMD is going to be making a good punch against Intel's dominance on the market. Consider a RTS game. When your enemy catches up to the same tech level, it becomes a big deal.
I read it. I get that it's important for AMD and competition, but I wouldn't call it a really big deal, Intel still has the same head start on processes that it's had for many years now. I'd call this "business as usual" more than anything.
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These threads fills me with bliss, theyre like taking a two semester course in everythingology in 2 minutes
 
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No, it's really K10.5
http://www.softpedia.com/reviews/win...w-193099.shtml

Small modifications have been made, but that's a given considering the die shrink to 32nm and the different target market for these chips.
um Phenom II IS K10.5

so ur saying that llano is an untouched PhII core blended with a GPU? or is this K10.9?
    
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I read it. I get that it's important for AMD and competition, but I wouldn't call it a really big deal, Intel still has the same head start on processes that it's had for many years now. I'd call this "business as usual" more than anything.
Alright, understandable, differen't perspectives. I'd still consider it a big deal, especially for Intel. They now have some hefty competition.

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um Phenom II IS K10.5

so ur saying that llano is an untouched PhII core blended with a GPU? or is this K10.9?
Maybe its 10.51231111244122139900110290DX11.433411.Beta11x.4 44209310481020391025-0232112A?
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AMD is on the right track. Since most things are moving to the GPU and we are living in a more and more media rich world, Llano seems like it will be successful.

People can play games at better settings than Intel's Sandy Bridge GPU and multi-task much better in GPU related tasks.
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I honestly do not care about those little "Integrated APU GPU mobile all-in-one" procesors. They seem like a joke, and anything and everything integrated tends to just plain suck. Just give me amazing classic x86 performance and I'm a happy camper.
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The big deal about the Llano is that it gets the whole "needing to buy nVidia GPU" out of the way when you want to run CPU driven graphics.

Well, no, actually the point is that each individual subtrate on the board in a laptop chews up power to operate the socket or surface mount. It takes power and complexity to have a separate graphics card from the processor and AMD's "recent" change to include the functionality of a graphics card into the multi-core architecture of a CPU die is a step in the direction of greatly reduced complexity and heat generation in laptops.

Think about it for a sec. When you're gaming the CPU is doing jack-all but moving data for the graphics card and a little housekeeping. So why even have a CPU on a gaming laptop. Laptop CPU have historically been a little weak on the math processing power too, so this effectively puts more math power in the hands of the average laptop.

As they recently showed with the Bulldoozie architecture implementations inside the 6xxx chips, they managed to increase performance with reduced component count on the same substrate architecture. If you consider what an increase in power the Llano will have from that change-over given the much higher clocks you can get at 32nan... you're looking at a product lineage which will result in Llano equipped laptops having the latest version of GPU available instead of "whatever uses the least power" being the common theme in laptop graphics.

That these chips will likely evolve into dual double ddr3/ddr5 ram controller applications with fixed specification implementation is nearly a sure thing.

Given the expected clock speed jump, the support of the bulldozer core paradigm, not having to use external PCIe commands AND the higher speeds of the in-die hypertransport modes, the only downsides I could see to the Llano is if AMD suddenly begins wearing diapers on their head and spouting Russian poetry.

At the resolutions of most laptop screens the Llano will be sufficient for general gaming and should be more than a match in battery longevity against any i chip out there.
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I honestly do not care about those little "Integrated APU GPU mobile all-in-one" procesors. They seem like a joke, and anything and everything integrated tends to just plain suck. Just give me amazing classic x86 performance and I'm a happy camper.
their not a joke when people need both more faster and efficient chips for mobile and laptop parts.
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their not a joke when people need both more faster and efficient chips for mobile and laptop parts.
This will be great for mainstream desktops also,users will have gaming grade graphics without having to buy a discrete card,bringing back more people to gaming on PC's.
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