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Originally Posted by pale_neon View Post
yup. and the M was based on the P3 execution core.
This is true. I read a lot about this back when core architecture was being introduced...

The P3 Tualatin was clock for clock faster than p4 and athlons. The fastest one Intel made was 1.4ghz though, and for whatever reason Intel decided to go to p4.
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lol at the quote. 32nm is something Intel has had out for months. So why is this a big deal? Maybe a big deal for AMD.
It's a big deal because as of right now, Intel is the only one at 32nm. That gives them an edge and they use that to make you pay more than you should to increase their profits. You should be happy that AMD is still in the game otherwise your SB mainstream processors would be $500.

But my big deal about these chips is that they'll pretty much eliminate the need for IGP's on laptop motherboards now. I mean, it's bad for nVidia but it's great for consumers.

All we're missing now are the Bulldozer based CPU's
Edited by KamuiRSX - 4/6/11 at 7:09pm
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post #33 of 41
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This will be great for mainstream desktops also,users will have gaming grade graphics without having to buy a discrete card,bringing back more people to gaming on PC's.
Do you really think the graphics built into these chips are that good? I mean DirectX 11 compatibility aside, will it actually play modern games well? I mean, your average desktop user interested in gaming of any type already knows (or assumes) they need a card to max out the look of the game. I don't know about you guys, but I game on my PC still cause it looks 10x better than any console game. I wouldn't sell myself short of the experience with some integrated solution. But thats just me.

But I see the point of bringing more people back to PC gaming (or other graphic extensive tasks such as Blu-Ray movies) with a simple integrated solution for the mainstream consumer.

I'm definitely down with what both AMD and Intel are doing with their integration, I just don't think I will ever use it other than to just "see what it can handle".
post #34 of 41
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Do you really think the graphics built into these chips are that good? I mean DirectX 11 compatibility aside, will it actually play modern games well? I mean, your average desktop user interested in gaming of any type already knows (or assumes) they need a card to max out the look of the game. I don't know about you guys, but I game on my PC still cause it looks 10x better than any console game. I wouldn't sell myself short of the experience with some integrated solution. But thats just me.

But I see the point of bringing more people back to PC gaming (or other graphic extensive tasks such as Blu-Ray movies) with a simple integrated solution for the mainstream consumer.

I'm definitely down with what both AMD and Intel are doing with their integration, I just don't think I will ever use it other than to just "see what it can handle".
Well, keep in mind that we're talking about mainstream graphics and yes they are pretty good at low resolutions. If you're playing at 1024x768 or 1280 x 1024..possibly 1440x900 depending on the game. We must also remember, again being that this is for the mainstream, majority of mainstream users don't want to max out a game. They just want to play and for it to play at a good rate without a lot of skipping. If they do decide that they want to max out, they already know they need a discrete GPU.

I also know that I'll never need use this on a desktop part but I will on a laptop part as I don't game on a laptop. So it's good to know that I have the graphics capability to do so if I somehow decide to do it. Also, keep in mind that, generally speaking, the majority of us on the forums won't be buying this chip except for HTPC builds or just really cheap builds. This chip should do amazingly on the OEM segment though.

However, the better argument would be which IGP would be better...the SB IGP, the crap nVidia IGP's, or the GPU on the APU...
Edited by KamuiRSX - 4/6/11 at 8:37pm
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Do you really think the graphics built into these chips are that good? I mean DirectX 11 compatibility aside, will it actually play modern games well? I mean, your average desktop user interested in gaming of any type already knows (or assumes) they need a card to max out the look of the game. I don't know about you guys, but I game on my PC still cause it looks 10x better than any console game. I wouldn't sell myself short of the experience with some integrated solution. But thats just me.

But I see the point of bringing more people back to PC gaming (or other graphic extensive tasks such as Blu-Ray movies) with a simple integrated solution for the mainstream consumer.

I'm definitely down with what both AMD and Intel are doing with their integration, I just don't think I will ever use it other than to just "see what it can handle".
and your realize llano is build upon the current Athlon x4 CPU's and 5670's.

It's basically C2D + 8800GT performance on a "integrated solution".
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Well, keep in mind that we're talking about mainstream graphics and yes they are pretty good at low resolutions. If you're playing at 1024x768 or 1280 x 1024..possibly 1440x900 depending on the game. We must also remember, again being that this is for the mainstream, majority of mainstream users don't want to max out a game. They just want to play and for it to play at a good rate without a lot of skipping. If they do decide that they want to max out, they already know they need a discrete GPU.

I also know that I'll need use this on a desktop part but I will on a laptop part as I don't game on a laptop. So it's good to know that I have the graphics capability to do so if I somehow decide to do it.

However, the better argument would be which IGP would be better...the SB IGP, the crap nVidia IGP's, or the GPU on the APU...
Excellent point about the resolutions. Since gamers on these forums always play at 1080p+ they sometimes forget that "maxing out" a game at low laptop type resolutions is fairly easy for a mid range GPU.

Basically, Sandy Bridge doesn't improve the graphic experience very much over traditional integrated graphics whereas llano is a big jump in performance all while using less power (than Sandy). Llano IS a VERY big deal.
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These threads fills me with bliss, theyre like taking a two semester course in everythingology in 2 minutes
LMAO!
I hear you.
post #38 of 41
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I honestly do not care about those little "Integrated APU GPU mobile all-in-one" procesors. They seem like a joke, and anything and everything integrated tends to just plain suck. Just give me amazing classic x86 performance and I'm a happy camper.
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Do you really think the graphics built into these chips are that good? I mean DirectX 11 compatibility aside, will it actually play modern games well? I mean, your average desktop user interested in gaming of any type already knows (or assumes) they need a card to max out the look of the game. I don't know about you guys, but I game on my PC still cause it looks 10x better than any console game. I wouldn't sell myself short of the experience with some integrated solution. But thats just me.

But I see the point of bringing more people back to PC gaming (or other graphic extensive tasks such as Blu-Ray movies) with a simple integrated solution for the mainstream consumer.

I'm definitely down with what both AMD and Intel are doing with their integration, I just don't think I will ever use it other than to just "see what it can handle".
I don't think either of you are getting it. This is a IGP with a shader count up there with the HD5670. That's huge considering AMD's previous best IGP had 40SPs and the highest end Llano chips are supposed to have around 400SPs (that's 10 times the SPs, at least not counting Bobcat's 80SP GPU, being a netbook/nettop APU it isn't really meant for gaming anyway).
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Core 2 is a redesigned based off of Pentium M.


Architecturally, the K8, K10, and K10.5 are closely related.
Pentium M happened when Intel realized that Netburst was going to go the way of the dinosaurs and their design team went back to a design closer to the Pentium III.
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Core 2 is a redesigned based off of Pentium M.


Architecturally, the K8, K10, and K10.5 are closely related.
Duckie, what ever happened to that UK guy that claimed that he actually made the Core 2 Architecture and that Intel stole it from him and he could prove it.

I remember seeing that article up for a couple of days and then it's like everywhere that had it on the net removed it overnight.
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