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Originally Posted by Scorpii View Post
Not sure how serious you are asking this question (even if only wanting to know in theory), but it wouldn't cool your CPU.

The concept of cold fusion is to achieve fusion without the currently required massive external energy inputs. 'Cold' is just relative to current fusion requirements, it's still not going to be cold enough to take heat away from your CPU
energy = heat ...


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Quite serious. Intranets is full of this guy. If you don't believe me go to a Green Party political gathering, that's where they congregate.
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Originally Posted by Sabis View Post
Any step forward is a step in the right direction. When/if we master cold fusion, we really could tremendously reduce reliance on fossil fuels. We can never be completely free of them due to plastics, but if we stop using oil as a power source and only as a resource for production, it's useful lifespan would be immensely multiplied.
wrong son. chicken feathers can be made into plastics
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I have some serious issues with this -

First, the isotopic abundances of the stable isotopes of nickel show the majority of natural nickel is 58Ni. If you look at the picture I've attached, black boxes indicate stable isotopes. The only way to make non-radioactive copper is with the relatively small amount of 62Ni and 64Ni in (p, gamma) reactions.

Second, the cross-section for such reactions is likely to be fairly small and isotopic analysis of the nickel with a mass spectrometer, while pretty sensitive, might well produce results due to contamination from natural copper or simply be within the margin of "not statistically significant from the background of the instrument".

Third, as mentioned above, proton fusion becomes endothermic in the mass-60 region, and anyway, barring tunnelling, the barrier to fusion between two protons is on the order of 1 MeV, while the barrier to fusion between nickel and a proton is on the order of 7 MeV.

This means all else being equal it would, at minimum require 7 times the kinetic energy of the emitted protons just to get the nickel and hydrogen nuclei to stick to one another.

(I've ignored tunnelling here, which would lower the effective barrier energy, especially for fusion of protons. However, the implied temperatures for proton fusion are on the order of tens of millions of degrees C, and would be even higher for fusion on heavier nuclei)

Could an apparatus such as the one in the article give the protons that much energy? I don't think so.

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In line of what they expressed during the discussion in February, they believe that the physics of the energy catalyzer may possibly be explained by a combination of atomic, molecular, nuclear and plasma physics. At the same time they are skeptical of detailed and hypothetical theories suggested at this stage, and stressed instead the need for more data.
When I start seeing a bunch of different sciences all smashed together like that, I start smelling the "baffle them with bull hockey" button being pressed.

I'll wait for the peer review, and I'll admit I'm wrong if this is for real, but the way the researchers are hedging about the isotopic composition of the powder, but also claiming that "[a] straightforward calculation shows that a large proportion of the nickel must have been consumed if it was ‘burned’ in a nuclear process" - that tends to make me go squinty and my BS detector starts pinging.
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post #45 of 55
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Originally Posted by Bluescreen_Of_Death View Post
The Mythbusters are the layman's scientists. Sure, they're not very precise, nor do they properly follow the scientific method in some [read: many] instances, but they help create an interest in science.

In a serious scientific discussion, they have no place, but this isn't a board where a college degree in chemistry and nuclear physics is needed to post in related threads.

On topic:

I agree with waiting until peer review before forming a significant opinion. I'll remain optimistic, but uncommitted.
The only thing more annoying to me than an idiot is someone who has just enough intelligence to partially understand a concept so they can wrongly apply it. You'd be amazed at the amount of seemingly intelligent people who wrongly quote different mythbusting guys or wrongly and over-simplistically apply the laws of thermodynamics. And the thing is, most claims like this ARE BS, so it only fuels their confidence in using it more before anything has been proven or not.

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Originally Posted by Fr0sty View Post
energy = heat ...


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Heat is ONE FORM of energy but not the only form. The more efficient a reaction, the less heat it makes, b/c heat in many cases is the by-product.

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Originally Posted by RonindeBeatrice View Post
Cold fusion doesn't imply that it's actually cold, as in sub ambient temperatures, simply that it can occur without the tremendous heat and pressures found inside stars.
No one seems to understand this, they just keep quoting the laws of thermodynamics as though they have even an inkling of an idea on how this works or how exactly the laws of thermodynamics comes into play in this scenario.

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Originally Posted by Soggysilicon View Post
Mythbuster's does ok when it comes to showing a proof of concept one way or another, but they tend to miss the finer details, especially when they go to test something that may of taken years of practice to get right... simply dismissing it as impossible or improbable... well, if your a mythbuster coming in off the street, yes impossible.

However, free-energy machines and or free motion machines do not work. The use of nuclear forces works on completely different levels, and while not free, yields a huge return of energy for a small amount of material/mass. Simply due to not accounting for a material or a process does not make that material consumption or unaccounted for process "free". You want fusion power... buy a solar panel.
No one said this was perpetual motion anymore than people are calling TWR's perpetual motion. This seems to have a catalyst that reacts and gets used in small amounts.
Edited by FuNkDrSpOt - 4/7/11 at 11:26am
    
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post #46 of 55
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Originally Posted by wilykat View Post
Hmmm in theory can I drop a cold fusion on top of the CPU, to power the computer and chill that CPU at the same time?
Not quite. Even if the fusing could occur at sub ambient temperatures, the act of fusing would generate heat. Thats the whole point. Fuse the atoms, generate heat, use said heat to boil water, make the steam turn a turbine which is connected to a magnet, send the steam to a cooling coil where it condenses back into water, repeat.

Just like a coal furnace, but without the coal.
Edited by Bluescreen_Of_Death - 4/7/11 at 2:51pm
post #47 of 55
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Originally Posted by Bluescreen_Of_Death View Post
Not quite. Even if the fusing could occur at sub ambient temperatures, the act of fusing would generate heat. Thats the whole point. Fuse the atoms, generate heat, use said heat to boil water, make the steam turn a turbine which is connected to a magnet, send the steam to a cooling coil where it condenses back into water, repeat.

Just like a coal furnace, but without the coal.
Did you quote the right person..?

I was talking about energy inputs in my post, at the moment you need massive external heat inputs to achieve fusion, and cold is just relative to this. I never said the reaction wouldn't produce energy...
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Theyre confusing me... Energy catalyzer? Doesnt that mean that it shouldnt get used up? And then they say it turned into a mixture of Fe and Cu and Ni? Huh....?
Not sure about the energy part, but a catalyst participates in a chemical reaction but is not consumed in the reaction itself.
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Cost effective fusion power in 30 years inc.
    
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post #50 of 55
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Originally Posted by Scorpii View Post
Did you quote the right person..?
Lol, no I didn't. Gimme a sec to fix my mistake =]

Your post was spot on, I just felt I had something to add and hit the multiquote button on the wrong post =[

Is all fixed now, though.
Edited by Bluescreen_Of_Death - 4/7/11 at 2:53pm
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