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Poll Results: Which case should i get?

 
  • 38% (15)
    RV02-EW
  • 48% (19)
    RV03
  • 12% (5)
    Other(please post what you suggest)
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post #31 of 63
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Originally Posted by nawon72 View Post
That's exactly what the guy from SilverStone said. I'm assuming he's saying that with the stock fans it wont surpass the RV2, but it will come very close, and in some cases it will perform the same. He also says that this case has the ability to mount additional fans unlike the RV2. This makes me think that once you add those optional fans it will surpass the RV2.

More evidence of it's cooling potential.
The whole idea of the motherboard being rotated 90 degrees is so that all incoming air can come from the bottom and go out the top creating a single directional airflow (that also uses principles of gravity and density to help it along). The unidirectional airflow improves circulatory efficiency and helps eliminate aerodynamic "deadspots" (or hot spots, if you will) If you introduce new directions of airflow by adding fans in the RV03's newly available positions, you will be interrupting this unidirectional flow, cancelling out many of it's benefits.
post #32 of 63
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Originally Posted by Balthazor View Post
OK, so I just got this case, and I like it.

However... be careful about which PSU you choose for it. The manual is clear that the PSU max depth is 180mm, but what is NOT mentioned is that the power input socket on the PSU must be facing flat side down in order for the angled PSU power extension to properly fit.

The Antec HCP-1200 I tried to install does NOT work. Since the PSU can only be installed in one orientation, and I cannot find an alternate angled power cord that would allow me to replace the RV03's installed one, I will have to purchase a PSU with the power input socket oriented in the proper way.

In the future Silverstone should consider including an angled power cord that could work regardless of the PSU's socket orientation, or perhaps include a replacement cord with the angle leading in the opposite direction.
I think that the problem is actually that i cant install my PSU fan side down. The cable will only work with a PSU that has the flat side of the input socket facing down. You can see what I mean here. And i think ChipHell used the same PSU i have in their review. So I'm thinking that if i bought this case, I would have to install my PSU fan side up for it to fit. This could be the deal breaker.
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Originally Posted by Firebanshee View Post
The whole idea of the motherboard being rotated 90 degrees is so that all incoming air can come from the bottom and go out the top creating a single directional airflow (that also uses principles of gravity and density to help it along). The unidirectional airflow improves circulatory efficiency and helps eliminate aerodynamic "deadspots" (or hot spots, if you will) If you introduce new directions of airflow by adding fans in the RV03's newly available positions, you will be interrupting this unidirectional flow, cancelling out many of it's benefits.
Although what you said is true, i'm pretty sure SilverStone would have tested the usefulness of those extra fans and made sure that they didn't have a negative effect.

Edit: Do you think it would be possible to flip the input socket in my PSU so that it will fit in the RV03 fan side down?
Edited by nawon72 - 4/8/11 at 8:44pm
post #33 of 63
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I think that the problem is actually that i cant install my PSU fan side down. The cable will only work with a PSU that has the flat side of the input socket facing down. You can see what I mean here. And i think ChipHell used the same PSU i have in their review. So I'm thinking that if i bought this case, I would have to install my PSU fan side up for it to fit. This could be the deal breaker.

Edit: Do you think it would be possible to flip the input socket in my PSU so that it will fit in the RV03 fan side down?
Your PSU's socket orientation will not work with the RV03 unless you install it fan side up (which doesn't make sense, it will get next to no air) or somehow change the socket orientation, which sounds more adventurous than I would be in your place. I couldn't easily find the depth of your PSU, but max depth is 180mm in the RV03, so keep that in mind, as well.
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post #34 of 63
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I think that the problem is actually that i cant install my PSU fan side down. The cable will only work with a PSU that has the flat side of the input socket facing down. You can see what I mean here. And i think ChipHell used the same PSU i have in their review. So I'm thinking that if i bought this case, I would have to install my PSU fan side up for it to fit. This could be the deal breaker.

Although what you said is true, i'm pretty sure SilverStone would have tested the usefulness of those extra fans and made sure that they didn't have a negative effect.
Well, if not, then why not just by any case with lots of fans and positive-pressure cooling? The only thing this case has going for it over others is the airflow pattern as far as I can tell. That and it takes the gpu weight load off of the mobo, which I think just might keep your components alive longer in a rugged environment

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Your PSU's socket orientation will not work with the RV03 unless you install it fan side up (which doesn't make sense, it will get next to no air) or somehow change the socket orientation, which sounds more adventurous than I would be in your place. I couldn't easily find the depth of your PSU, but max depth is 180mm in the RV03, so keep that in mind, as well.
It looks to me like you could just route the power cord around the other side of the PSU if you need to. You could also just make a little loop so it turns the connector upside down. I don't really see either of those methods being too much of a problem. And yeah, I couldn't be positive for every single PSU on the planet, but on 99% of them you can rotate the power supply input from inside of the PSU's case, and quite easily. STOP!!!!! This is where I disclaim myself, lol. Opening your PSU can, and most likely will void your warranty. Even if there is not a visible tamper seal on the outside- the sneaky ones are in the inside!?!
Edited by Firebanshee - 4/8/11 at 9:56pm
post #35 of 63
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Your PSU's socket orientation will not work with the RV03 unless you install it fan side up (which doesn't make sense, it will get next to no air) or somehow change the socket orientation, which sounds more adventurous than I would be in your place. I couldn't easily find the depth of your PSU, but max depth is 180mm in the RV03, so keep that in mind, as well.
The depth of my PSU is 160mm, so it will fit.
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Well, if not, then why not just by any case with lots of fans and positive-pressure cooling? The only thing this case has going for it over others is the airflow pattern as far as I can tell. That and it takes the gpu weight load off of the mobo, which I think just might keep your components alive longer in a rugged environment

It looks to me like you could just route the power cord around the other side of the PSU if you need to. You could also just make a little loop so it turns it the connector upside down. I don't really see either of those methods being too much of a problem.
According to BitTech(check the link in the first post of the thread) the FT02 and Raven 2 have the best stock air cooling of any case they reviewed. And the other cases that come close are bigger. That's why i want a Raven. And an example of a case that can have lots of fans and positive-pressure cooling is the Lanboy Air. And even with all the fans installed in it, it doesn't perform much better than stock.

I won't be able to route the power cord to the other side because it will make the power cables shorter, there will be a mess of cables, and it might not fit. As Balthazor said, it may be a little bit too adventurous for me. If i could find a guide though, i may attempt it. I'm to building computers though and this was my first build so I'm a little worried about messing with my components. And i'm pretty sure it would void my warranty, so it wouldn't be such a great idea.

Right now the poll results aren't really helping, as there is no clear winner. So i would appreciate more suggestions, particularly from people who own the RV2 or RV3.
Edited by nawon72 - 4/8/11 at 10:09pm
post #36 of 63
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It looks to me like you could just route the power cord around the other side of the PSU if you need to. You could also just make a little loop so it turns the connector upside down. I don't really see either of those methods being too much of a problem.
This doesn't work.
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post #37 of 63
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It looks to me like you could just route the power cord around the other side of the PSU if you need to. You could also just make a little loop so it turns the connector upside down. I don't really see either of those methods being too much of a problem. And yeah, I couldn't be positive for every single PSU on the planet, but on 99% of them you can rotate the power supply input from inside of the PSU's case, and quite easily. STOP!!!!! This is where I disclaim myself, lol. Opening your PSU can, and most likely will void your warranty. Even if there is not a visible tamper seal on the outside- the sneaky ones are in the inside!?!
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This doesn't work.
Awwww shieeeet! I guess this pretty much means i have no choice. The RV02-EW seems to me like the case i have to get unless i want to void my brand new PSU's warranty. Ill think about it over the weekend though, as well as wait for more responses. And to anyone who owns the RV03 or voted for it in the poll, please help me out with this decision!

PS- I'm still open to case suggestions as long as you provide evidence that shows they have superior cooling performance over the FT02 or RV02 with AP181 fans. And make sure its less than $200.
PPS- Does anyone know if you can somehow add more airflow, and reduce temps on the RV02? I don't mind doing some modding, so long as it's not too difficult or voids my warranty.

Edit: Does anyone think SilverStone will fix the extension cord for the PSU? And if you do think so, when do you think they will do it?
Edited by nawon72 - 4/8/11 at 11:50pm
post #38 of 63
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The depth of my PSU is 160mm, so it will fit.

According to BitTech(check the link in the first post of the thread) the FT02 and Raven 2 have the best stock air cooling of any case they reviewed. And the other cases that come close are bigger. That's why i want a Raven. And an example of a case that can have lots of fans and positive-pressure cooling is the Lanboy Air. And even with all the fans installed in it, it doesn't perform much better than stock.
That was sort of my point. I was being a little facetious. The Ravens layout is what gives it it's superior cooling capabilities, not the fan count. The main cooling area for the RV03 is almost exactly like the RV02. For the main components it might be even better. On both the RV02 and the RV03 the PSU's cooling is isolated, and on the RV03 the HDD''s cooling is now isolated. Yeah, it only has two fans on the bottom, but they are both blowing directly across the mobo. The first fan on the RV02 is blowing straight up into the HDD cage and the third fan is partially blowing air at the corner of the PSU. I don't understand why people are questioning the RV03's ability to cool. The main cooling area seems even more focused and isolated than the RV02's. One cooling concern I can see is on video cards that are installed in the last couple slots on the mobo. They might be a little close to the back of the case.

If you can wait, don't mind the hideous gold accents, and can envision your set-up in the RV03, then get it. I like both the RV02 and the RV03. I think the RV03 is the evolution of the Raven, not just another option in the lineup, and obviously so do the engineers at Silverstone. The RV03 just seems to fit my sensibilities better- its more compact and all the components are closer to the motherboard and their respective connectors. This is great for those of us who make our own custom cables.
Edited by Firebanshee - 4/8/11 at 11:15pm
post #39 of 63
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This doesn't work.

why is this not posible? is there no way to pull more cord out?
Edited by Firebanshee - 4/8/11 at 11:11pm
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I have to say, the cardboard chassis made me rofl so hard. I'm loving it! I vote RV03.
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